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<p>And this is exactly my problem with any version that includes
their license manager.<br>
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<div><font size="+1"><i><font color="#3333ff">"If you open 3-5
windows for development or runtime, each opened from scratch
(i.e., not from an already open filepro execution), then I
believe they count as separate sessions. We have based our
license purchases on this assumption." <br>
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</font></i></font>Apparently you're running a newer version
with the license manager but you can't tell me how it actually
handles the licensing. This is nothing negative towards you, I'm
just back to where I started...having no clue to exactly what will
use up a license and what won't. <br>
<br>
This is a problem because if I were looking to purchase a version
with the licensing manager, I certainly wouldn't want to be
purchasing extra licenses just in case. I'd need to know exactly
what uses a license and what doesn't. Nowhere have I ever seen
something that can clearly explain this.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/16/2017 4:01 PM, Timothy R Barr
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<div dir="ltr">First, when you order DEV and RT licenses, add the
counts together to get the number of licenses for the right side
of the developer menu. 5 Dev + 15 RT = 20 total users, 5 of
whom can also do development.
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<div>rclerk/rreport = dclerk/dreport for license purposes. the
r* version use the tok tables for faster load time at
execution.</div>
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<div>You can nest *clerk or *rreport from inside a filepro
processing table as much as you want and it will use one
license. We do this all the time.</div>
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<div>If you open 3-5 windows for development or runtime, each
opened from scratch (i.e., not from an already open filepro
execution), then I believe they count as separate sessions. </div>
<div>We have based our license purchases on this assumption.
However, I am going to experiment with building a "concurrent
session launcher" that I could share.</div>
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<div>PS. As we upgrade to each new version, we have not had to
re-write code (unless we wanted to use newly added features).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Mike
Fedkiw <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:mfedkiwfp@gmail.com" target="_blank"
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I can't
even remember exactly how many developer/user sessions I
purchased but I'm sure It's somewhere around 5 developer and
maybe 15 user run-time or whatever they're called.<br>
<br>
My biggest problem with upgrading is lack of information to
understand exactly how my licenses are determined, if you
know I'd be interested in knowing how the following things
would affect my licensing?<br>
<br>
To start with, I've never used rclerk or rreport for
anything, all I ever use is declerk and dereport. I also do
system commands containing dclerk or dreport from within
programs all over the place. Depending on what you happen to
be doing, at times you can be four, five or more deep into
system dclerk commands. I also commonly have 3-5 windows
open when working on writing or modifying processing tables.<br>
<br>
Do you know and can you explain how doing things like I laid
out affect my licensing count? I've never seen any
documentation that explained this very clearly.<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike
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On 8/16/2017 2:48 PM, Timothy R Barr via Filepro-list
wrote:<br>
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Richard,<br>
I agree - and have also wondered why there is so much
fear of the license<br>
manager.<br>
Although I didn't live down the street from SCC, I've
used the product<br>
since the Model II floppy version of Profile. They
custom wrote "special<br>
forms" and "math 64" for us back in the 80's.<br>
<br>
Anyway, all our new installs have been Windows-based
and license-manager<br>
enabled since Y2K. I have had no problems with the
license manager, with up<br>
to 160 "sessions".<br>
Yes, disconnected remote desktop sessions can eat some
licenses. But we<br>
have a nightly.bat file that restarts the license
manager, GI server,<br>
clears open share sessions, and then runs other
nightly exports and<br>
processes.<br>
<br>
Our typical install includes enough PrintWizard
licenses for each user (pc<br>
or remote session + 2 for the server). We order a 5
user Dev which seems<br>
to be enough for us to support each client. On top of
the 5 Runtimes (RTs)<br>
that come with the dev license, we add enough RTs for
the number of<br>
"sessions" we expect to need. Spending an extra $145
for each power user<br>
is cheap in the scope of things.<br>
<br>
Now we do also use Filepro GI (for speed, html/image
embedding, etc). Many<br>
of our clients will have fewer GI client licenses than
total RTs. But even<br>
if a county wants all GI-enabled sessions, we just add
another $345 to the<br>
price per session. ($145+$200)<br>
<br>
<br>
Now about sessions vs users, I think there is an
important fact that many<br>
may not know....<br>
<br>
When you launch an rclerk (or rreport) from inside an
existing processing<br>
table, it does NOT count against your licenses.<br>
<br>
We have features in our program that will stand on a
file and then launch a<br>
"sub-session" to another file. Usually we do this in
a way that the main<br>
program waits for the subprogram to finish. However,
I believe I have a<br>
way to launch multiple independent rclerks from a host
rclerk by launching<br>
the Windows "Start" command using "system".<br>
<br>
We already have a "login" filepro file that validates
the user, counts<br>
their personal sessions (so we can keep printwizard
jobs separate), sets<br>
their default environment, and finally sets and
launches their specific<br>
"home menu". Power users get a different menu than
data entry vs<br>
view-only. This process ends with creating a batch
file which in turn<br>
contains "START p.exe menuname".<br>
<br>
I've been wanting to do some more testing before
weighing in - but decided<br>
not to wait anymore.<br>
<br>
Bottom line, The license manager does not get in my
way.<br>
And if I'm right about using START from inside an
rclerk to launch multiple<br>
rclerks - I won't even need a "session count" anymore
- just users.<br>
<br>
<br>
Timothy R Barr, CPE, VP/CTO<br>
Evaluator Services and Technology, Inc<br>
1801 Oberlin Rd, Suite 204<br>
Middletown, PA 17057<br>
<a href="tel:717-985-1122%20x%201131"
value="+17179851122" target="_blank"
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">855-569-6022</a> (Tollfree
Middletown)<br>
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