<html><head></head><body>One of the main reasons I was thinking about upgrading was to get beyond the 2gig limitations on the key segments of the files. Does anyone know if that's even possible on any version released before the implementation of the licensing manager?<br clear="none">
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Thank you, Mike <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 23, 2014, Dennis Malen <dmalen@malen.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k10mail">Nancy,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">That is exactly why we and others have not upgraded. Each user usually has a<br clear="none">minimum of 3 windows open at any one time.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I love filePro and would love to upgrade and continue with this most<br clear="none">efficient and robust data management system.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If filePro considered a change, they would sell many more software packages.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Perhaps we should have a user meeting again and approach filePro to consider<br clear="none">a change. Your Quick Books analogy is spot on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dennis Malen<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: filepro-list-bounces+dmalen=<a shape="rect" href="http://malen.com">malen.com</a>@lists.celestial.com<br clear="none">[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+dmalen=<a shape="rect"
href="http://malen.com">malen.com</a>@lists.celestial.com] On Behalf<br clear="none">Of Nancy Palmquist<br clear="none">Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 12:31 PM<br clear="none">To: filepro-list@lists.celestial.com<br clear="none">Subject: Re: Licensing<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I fully agree with Mark and Mike.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Unix world is comfortable with the window/seat relationship because it<br clear="none">is not the environment where people open piles of windows to jump from one<br clear="none">app to another, it never was. The systems were always one session and one<br clear="none">licenses.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But filePro went from no control or limit at all on Windows systems, to the<br clear="none">same kind of model with window/seat and the market for windows users is<br clear="none">totally different. I have many windows applications and none work on that<br clear="none">model it is always per seat. I can open multiple docu
ments
or spreadsheets<br clear="none">to work on at the same time. The Windows server only tracks the user as<br clear="none">using one session and not using different sessions for each open filepro<br clear="none">window. The expectation on Windows is totally different by the end user.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have always thought that the license model for Windows was not suited to<br clear="none">the Windows market at all.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The filePro application is a tool for handling data, it does not provide the<br clear="none">data or the development that makes the data work. For example, I can buy<br clear="none">Quickbooks that offers the runtime tool and the fully developed application<br clear="none">already developed and ready to roll for $199 (roughly). To buy a single<br clear="none">user filepro runtime license will will pay $295. That is without any<br clear="none">application development at all.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If I h
ave a
business with 50 employees that all need access to filepro, I am<br clear="none">paying $6,250 for each user to get one open window into filepro. <br clear="none">(They do offer those seats at $125 per user.) Now say the customer gladly<br clear="none">paid that thinking they were buying seats and now it is time to upgrade them<br clear="none">to 5.7 and we take a survey and find that on average our 50 employees open<br clear="none">80 windows plus we run automated processes that open 2 more and I have 82<br clear="none">windows at a cost of $10,250 or $4,000 more for using the system exactly as<br clear="none">we did in 5.0 but now the licensing is watching windows and not seats. How<br clear="none">do you explain the additional $4,000 cost to a customer?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Now I have seen the annual pricing subscription that will give the customer<br clear="none">all future upgrade for at no charge, but did not think the advancements in<br clear="none">file
pro are
providing value for that additional cost, all I get is the<br clear="none">ability to budget my costs and pay for future upgrades before any are<br clear="none">released.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I also still see the entire license scheme as unworkable for a distributed<br clear="none">piece of software. Requiring a file to be collected and saved to activate<br clear="none">the license, instead of supplying an activation code that can typed in to a<br clear="none">screen is a huge issue for my customers in the windows world.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Well - I have to stop now. I will rant on this all day. Sorry but this had<br clear="none">been a huge issue for my customers on Windows systems and I can not see any<br clear="none">good solution - except retire and be done with it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Nancy<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 6/21/2014 4:02 PM, Fairlight wrote:<br clear="none"></pre><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0
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1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">That's the way it works. Each window eats a seat.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And you're far from the only person thinking it. I can think of three <br clear="none">major clients who would upgrade almost immediately if it weren't for <br clear="none">the license manager bullshit - even figuring in the exhorbitant upgrade<br clear="none"></blockquote>costs.<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">The main thing keeping people on 5.0.14 is the licence manager, full stop.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">mark-><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 09:54:47AM -0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">So if I'm understanding this correctly, it's pretty much the windows that<br
clear="none"></blockquote></blockquote>eat up licenses. If I have three separate Windows of filepro open on my<br clear="none">computer I'm pretty much using three licenses running Windows server 03 or<br clear="none">08. If that's the way it works now, at least that would be an easier way for<br clear="none">me to determine exactly or approximately how many licenses I'd need to<br clear="none">purchase.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">If I'm wrong in what I'm thinking, I freaking give up, yet again. I<br clear="none"></blockquote></blockquote>wonder who else thinks that filepro could be loosing a hell of a lot more<br clear="none">money than they're making by implementing this ridiculous licensing crap.<br clear="none">It's kept me from updat
ing for
years now and still might. I'm sure I'm not<br clear="none">the only one that feels that way.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Mike<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Jun 21, 2014, Fairlight <fairlite@fairlite.com> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">In the system case, in 5.7, no extra licenses are used. Pre-5.7, <br clear="none">each uses a license seat.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you want to post to the list, you could hit reply and change the <br clear="none">recipient to filepro-list@lists.celestial.com in your mail client.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">mark-><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:36:
29PM
-0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Okay, I'm still confused here, what happens when I'm in dclerk <br clear="none">and<br clear="none"></blockquote>do a<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">system command to open another dclerk and then another and<br clear="none"></blockquote>another.Â<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">I've written some processing where I could possibly be six <br clear="none">levels<br clear="none"></blockquote>deep<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">into those dclerks, does each of those commands eat up another<br
clear="none"></blockquote>license?<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">If that's the case, I could possibly need to buy up to or even<br clear="none"></blockquote>more<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">than fifty licenses for six computers, that just seems ridiculous.<br clear="none"></blockquote>It<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">can't really be like that, can it<br clear="none">The other thing is that I'm confused as how to reply to this so it<br clear="none">would get posted to the list. I'm thinking that only you are <br clear="none">going<br clear="none"></blockquote>to<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fc
af3e;
padding-left: 1ex;">see this reply.<br clear="none">Mike<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Jun 20, 2014, Fairlight wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">You must buy enough seats to cover every active "user". On a SCO<br clear="none"></blockquote>text<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">console (but not Linux text consoles), all the main consoles count <br clear="none">as<br clear="none"></blockquote>one<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">seat. I -believe- FacetWin had some sort of arrangement that made<br clear="none"></blockquote>Facet<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">akin to the SCO console that way...but on SCO, not Linux, if memory<br clear="none"></blockquote>serves.<br
clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Other than that, every time you invoke clerk, cabe, report, <br clear="none">ddefine,<br clear="none"></blockquote>etc.,<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">you're eating a license. I don't think runmenu eats any, but could<br clear="none"></blockquote>be<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">wrong.<br clear="none">About the only upside to 5.7.x is that a SYSTEM to a clerk or <br clear="none">report<br clear="none"></blockquote>no<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">longer takes another user seat from the license pool. Something<br clear="none"></blockquote>w
hich<br
clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">should have been done back in 4.5, IMNSHO. Not for lack of <br clear="none">begging, bitching, moaning, and general complaining from the <br clear="none">community for<br clear="none"></blockquote>years.<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">Now they've "fixed" it, and<br clear="none">"nobody" (few) want to buy the new product with its attendant <br clear="none">license manager.<br clear="none">But except in very specific and rare instances, yes, every open<br clear="none"></blockquote>instance is<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">a "user".<br clear="none">mark-><br clear="none">On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 09:38:05PM -0400, Mike Fedkiw thus spoke:<br
clear="none"><br clear="none">I know this has probably been gone over multiple times by now, I<br clear="none">think I've actually seen it being talked about but it just<br clear="none"></blockquote>seemed<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">confusing to me.<br clear="none">I'm still so confused as to what id actually have to buy to <br clear="none">be<br clear="none"></blockquote>able<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">to use the most current version of filepro.<br clear="none">I am pretty much the only one that uses the development but <br clear="none">I'll<br clear="none"></blockquote>at<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">times have 3-4 Windows of it open while working on something.
<br
clear="none">My<br clear="none"></blockquote>emp<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">loyees also usually have multiple Windows open on each terminal.<br clear="none"></blockquote>Now<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">if I have to buy a license for every open window, even if <br clear="none">it's<br clear="none"></blockquote>on<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">the same machine, that's just ridiculous.<br clear="none">Let's see, at any given time there could possibly be 15+<br clear="none"></blockquote>filepro's<br clear="none"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">running although I've only got 6 computer
s not
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