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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am very capable of speaking for myself Tyler, and since you
insist, the fact is that I did not care to dignify your snide remark with a
response. This is a list for mature professionals and its pretty sad that it
has come to this. I posted to this list for the first time in over a year and
right away I’m insulted by a little troll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ryan Powers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bulldog Software, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.bulldogsoftware.com/"><span
style='color:blue'>http://www.bulldogsoftware.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com@lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com@lists.celestial.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Tyler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2009 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> filepro-list@lists.celestial.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: filepro to sql<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Message: 2<br>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400<br>
From: Fairlight <<a href="mailto:fairlite@fairlite.com">fairlite@fairlite.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: filepro to sql<br>
<br>
1, Since Ryan obviously reads the list and replies to it, why not let him speak
for himself? Shouldn't you at least consult him first before going off on
a flame?<br>
<br>
2, What's with all the ad hominem attacks, anyway? Seriously, if you want
to talk 'professional', you're definitely not holding the moral high ground
that way.<br>
<br>
As for the rest of your post, if you strip out the trolling and flaming there's
very little actual content, just "sound and fury..."<br>
<br>
And I'll dare to say whatever I like, regardless of your opinion of it or your
attempts to bully me.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Tyler Style<br>
<a href="http://malthusian-solutions.com/" target="_blank">http://malthusian-solutions.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:<br>
> Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.<br>
<br>
Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a<br>
high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the<br>
wrong before I'll back down. If you don't know that, you don't read<br>
enough. And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a<br>
category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about<br>
Ryan's product.<br>
<br>
> For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.<br>
<br>
On the contrary. Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this<br>
list. I count Ryan as both. Someone that essentially disrespects a
friend<br>
of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of<br>
success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.<br>
<br>
> For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some
time<br>
> on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful
product".<br>
> My comment was hardly derisive! It was just an acknowledgment of
what<br>
> he'd said. Sheesh!<br>
<br>
Yeah, he's spent time on it. A good deal of it. I know, as I've
talked to<br>
him regularly as he's been working on it. As for the second half, coding<br>
for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:<br>
putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open<br>
their wallets]. The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part<br>
that Ryan should have added. This community is a very hard sell, as most<br>
of us have learned the hard way.<br>
<br>
So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-<br>
what he was saying.<br>
<br>
You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a<br>
serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]<br>
<br>
1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work. While "serious
tool<br>
beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing<br>
something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's<br>
product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty<br>
negative impact.<br>
<br>
2) Learn to spell. I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have<br>
been incorrect. Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum
is<br>
ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from<br>
twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this<br>
case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone<br>
else's professional work.<br>
<br>
Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a<br>
lot. To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally"
slam both<br>
someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,<br>
it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.<br>
You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent<br>
itself on the shelf of in the workplace. If you'd even seen it in action,<br>
you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.<br>
<br>
> -- Tyler Style <a href="http://malthusian-solutions.com/" target="_blank">http://malthusian-solutions.com</a><br>
<br>
For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually<br>
display some. Or at least some tact. I thought I had the market
cornered<br>
on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.<br>
<br>
Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public<br>
consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about<br>
someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as<br>
a negative connotation.<br>
<br>
As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks. You<br>
don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to<br>
point out what a git you've made of yourself. Ryan's not only a
colleague,<br>
he's a close personal friend. I stand by my friends, whether they need me<br>
to or not.<br>
<br>
Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if<br>
you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take<br>
a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than<br>
you already do. There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground<br>
at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut<br>
your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools<br>
lightly than usual.<br>
<br>
mark-> <o:p></o:p></p>
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