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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>If true that's pretty
lame.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>What about AniTA and
MixViews?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>They have been able to provide gui
front ends to telnet apps for ages already.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Of course theres no risk of any Anita
or Mixviews vendors wanting to attend but it's the same thing. With enough work
you could probably do quite a lot with Anzio or any other emulator that has a
fairly rich scripting and backchannel/escape-codes feature set. If someone had
happened to do that work would they ban Anzio? What about fpweb &
onegate & everyone elses own cgi wrappers? Are they banning mention of
them because fpcgi exists?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>It's definitely in our interests
that something like Reface exists, so as far as I'm concerned theres no
other way to describe this except as an (yet another) example fp
acting as though they do not have our interests as their primary goal.
*coughlicensemanagercough* Sucks to be dependant on that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Wish they'd compete by competing.
Where the heck is my color screen editor for unix I've been waiting 8 years
for? (that's just since I personally first encountered fp, the functionality was
already several years overdue at that time) Is Laura banned because she
wrote a work-around for that? After all, the DOS and Windows versions exist as
well as xfer to translate from dos to unix, and a different xfer to translate
from unix to dos. It's a ridiculously inconvenient way to work, not to
mention expensive buying 3 whole products you don't need or want just to do that
one function. But, like fpGI, fp already has it and sells it so anything else
that does the same job must be verboten. Meanwhile, instead of
functionality like that which is so basic it's laughable, inexcusable
even, that it's missing even from the very _first_ version of fp that could
_display_ a color screen, let alone the how many years worth of versions
since then? Instead we have ... well we've been over the various
goofy inexplicable things that have been worked on over the years many times
already among the admittedly useful and valuable updates.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I think everyone is too forgiving and
understanding and willing to live with and work around shortcomings. As much as
I admire and aspire to those qualities at the personal level, apparently
they are counterproductive outside of personal relationships, at least
when allowed to go on indefinitely.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Lastly, how can fp actually stop
Fineline from renting a hoitel room and doing anything they want in there? or
even some conference space? Did they really buy the entire hotel for the weekend
so that they can actually stop hoim at the front door??? All FP can do as far as
I can tell is not include Fineline in the official programming, and if they were
fantastically petty they could refuse to sell anyone from Fineline a
registration to the conference so he couldn't attend, even merely as a
customer/attendee, any official con events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I can't see how that would hardly
make a difference in Daves ability to demo his product. It's a small enough
community that word of mouth should be perfectly fine to get the word out about
where you are when etc.. If I was him, I'd just go regardless. I'd
also feel disgusted that I'd just spent that much of my life developing a
product to that level of sophistication only to have fp treat me that
way.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps that is all fP really said was they wouldn't include anything
about Reface in the official convention programming? If that was the case I
don't see how thats so bad. A little dissapointing but not exactly evil or even
necessarily uncivil.</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=filepro@hoovercs.com href="mailto:filepro@hoovercs.com">Larry
Hoover</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=larry@hoovercs.com
href="mailto:larry@hoovercs.com">Larry Hoover</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Sound Ideas banned from filePro
conference</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=+1><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">I
was told by Dave Stauble of Sound Ideas that he was not allowed to present at
the filePro conference because his Reface product is a competitor to filePro
GI.<BR><BR>I don't know how other people may feel, but as the GI product is so
limited, something like Reface may be the only glimmer of hope to keeping
filePro alive in the GUI world. I, for one, would love to see a
presentation from third party vendors like Sound Ideas. I have already
concluded that fpgi will not suit my needs, and banning them from the
conference will not change my mind. I don't see Reface as a competitor,
I see it as an enhancement.<BR><BR>Any comments on
this?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></FONT>
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