Net Neutrality

[Brian K. White]

It's unreasonable to expect anyone else to believe anything anyone says 
just because they say so.

You say any new regulations would be bad. I say that is a myth until you 
prove it somehow.

Meanwhile the shittiness of my Optimum cable service is something I can 
observe directly.

There is no contest. They don't make a violin small enough for me to 
sympathize with the position you are attempting to forward, unless and 
untill you provide something of more substance than calling someone else 
an ass.

Whatever the problems are with the details of the new proposals, there 
is no way to convince any half-way conscious person that the answer is 
not to proceed anyway and ADDRESS those unknown, at best potential 
problems, rather than reject the entire concept of addressing the 
directly observable problems we already have right now and for the last 
30 years.

We all have malaria, but making the doctors wash their hands every 5 
minutes would be Soooooo Annnoyyyyying, let's just stay with the malaria.

Have I mischaracterized the problem unfairly? Well what else do I have 
to go on? You have only provided complaints and namecalling when someone 
explicitly asked to have the real problem explained in a way that would 
make us all recognize and sympathize.

-- 
bkw



On 1/30/2017 1:51 AM, Paul McNary via Filepro-list wrote:
> And the lawyers by way of WISPA costs me less per year than answering your
> ego bloated acrimonious lack of any view but your own questions. You want
> someone else to pay for your research without having any skin in the
> game. Go
> start an small ISP and get back to me then. Otherwise .... fill in the
> blank!
>
>
> On 1/29/2017 9:04 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 08:26:10PM -0600, Paul McNary thus spoke:
>>> Some of the crap is real time summaries of jitter, latency, capacity
>>> from subscriber to endpoint on Internet.
>> I'm having an exceptionally hard time believing that much realtime
>> data on
>> any ongoing basis has been mandated.  Maybe, maybe not.  Seems like undue
>> burden to me.  I haven't seen any proof of the mandate, so it's strictly
>> hearsay at this point, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>>> published with the 700 or so pages crap that
>>> we only were made notice of by our lawyers and lobbyists. WISPA has
>>> a very good set of lawyers and lobbyists
>>> that inform us the details. One of our DC lawyers probably posted
>>> 10-20 emails today on the WISPA mailing lists.
>>> Some were fillings they had done or in the process of doing and
>>> other comments about members remarks.
>> You know, you're seriously using the wrong ammunition for the wrong
>> target.
>> The more someone flaunts their access to expensive lawyers, the less I
>> trust a thing they say, especially when they either can't or won't back
>> it up themselves with hard facts and citations.
>>
>> I'm happy you're (apparently excessively) pleased with your legal
>> representation, but I remain unimpressed by your consistent
>> over-compensation for whatever by the fact you mention them every two
>> paragraphs or so.  Again, wrong target; I don't impress that easily, and
>> certainly not over money or access to lawyers.  If you had a vintage
>> synthesiser collection, it would carry 100,000x more weight with me.
>>
>>> No Mark, I am not going to educate you. We pay a good price to have
>>> access to DC. Become a WISP and join and you too
>>> can glean this education. WISPA membership is cheap for what we get.
>> You're not the first person I've known who's a member of WISPA.  You're
>> the first I've known who had to remind everyone of the fact every few
>> sentences, but you're not the first member I've known.  Get over
>> yourself.
>>
>> Funnily enough, you were keen enough to spout off with a very vehement
>> counterpoint in the first place, but you're remarkably short on facts
>> when
>> called upon to back up your claims.  As far as I'm concerned, the burden
>> of proof is on you, since you made the very specific claims.  To borrow a
>> common gamer adage:  "Screenshot, or it didn't happen."
>>
>>> Maybe someday your business will be out in the middle of no where
>>> and you need Internet service. Wait for the big guys
>>> because the little mom and pop WISP's will not be there to serve
>>> you. Live with satellite! WISP's usually provide service
>>> where no one else will go.
>> When my old DSL was acting up and AT&T were being jerks, I tried out
>> BroadbandBlue/HughesNet.  They couldn't even keep their 2.5mbit up
>> reliably
>> at 200kbit in the middle of -somewhere-.  No thank you.  Pass.  I got a
>> full refund on that bad joke.
>>
>> That was an experiment to see if I could circumvent AT&T and obtain
>> better
>> service, but I wasn't reliant upon it.
>>
>> There's this thing they call 'planning'.  I would not move somewhere
>> which
>> had insufficient resources to run the business.  That'd be like
>> voluntarily
>> putting a freight terminal and warehouse in the middle of a district
>> whose
>> only outlets were streets which had signage reading 'Limit 5 Tons'.  They
>> call it due diligence.
>>
>> We may as well end this conversation.  Your inability and/or
>> unwillingness
>> to substantiate your alleged burden is entirely unlikely to sway my
>> views.
>> I really don't need or care to proselytise to you.  As such, this is
>> going
>> nowhere fast, so we may as well call it a day.  I've extended you every
>> chance to back your claims, you've refused, and I'm out of patience.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> mark->
>
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