Net Neutrality

Sun Jan 29 18:26:10 PST 2017

Some of the crap is real time summaries of jitter, latency, capacity 
from subscriber to endpoint on Internet.

Of course we don't control once it leaves our network but we have to 
report it as if it was and then guaranty it.

Since we are Wireless and RF is so predictable (NOT), this is a report 
that can not be made.
Richard you are correct filePro could generate the report. Every SNMP 
trap on every device in our network
with parameters some SNMP traps don't provide. SNMP is not free, it uses 
bandwidth that we could be selling
to a subscriber.

Thank goodness Chairman Pai has stated he will continue and make 
permanent the temporary reporting exception
for small providers that Chairman Wheeler let expire in December.

So maybe the final Net Neutrality will be the bullet points that get 
published with the 700 or so pages crap that
we only were made notice of by our lawyers and lobbyists. WISPA has a 
very good set of lawyers and lobbyists
that inform us the details. One of our DC lawyers probably posted 10-20 
emails today on the WISPA mailing lists.
Some were fillings they had done or in the process of doing and other 
comments about members remarks.

No Mark, I am not going to educate you. We pay a good price to have 
access to DC. Become a WISP and join and you too
can glean this education. WISPA membership is cheap for what we get.

Maybe someday your business will be out in the middle of no where and 
you need Internet service. Wait for the big guys
because the little mom and pop WISP's will not be there to serve you. 
Live with satellite! WISP's usually provide service
where no one else will go.

On 1/29/2017 7:45 PM, Richard Kreiss via Filepro-list wrote:
> My question is, can you compute system be programmed to generate the reports required?
>
>   Years ago I worked for a company the need to generate a monthly sale report for F.W. Woolworth.  This was a sales analysis report be region by style. At the time this required going through each invoice to get the Information necessary. I used a TI-59 programmable calculator to help generate the report. When I asked our Factor how much it would cost to program the main frame to generate the report. I was told $1,000,000. 00. I can create this same report in filePro in about 2 hours. That was back in 1992.
>
> It seems to me that most of the reporting need should be able generated  the computers which hold be billing information
> If so, that should not impact your costs as I said earlier, I gave FIOS in my house and AT&T wireless service. I wouldn't consider changing service to one provider. Verizon has my phones, cable and internet. AT&T was my witless phone service since I purchased my first cell phone.
>
> I keep getting mailings about getting their cable service but am not interested. I don't stream video to my devices. Also, Verizon offers a similar service which I don't use even though I have an unlimited data plan
>
> All I am concerned about is that neither provider reduce my connection speeds below what I am paying for.
>
> That said, it is only us "old Folk" who care. Most of the young people don't care. They readily give up "private " information easily. They even post it on line and feel good about it. Only too late to they find out it was not a good idea.
>
>
> Richard
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 29, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Fairlight via Filepro-list <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're being awfully vague.  -What- are you reporting?  You have yet to
>> point me towards any specific reporting requirements, or even just say more
>> than "report" or "reporting" with zero specifics.
>>
>> You're right; everything is in the details.  Unfortunately, you're giving
>> anecdotes backed up by -no- details, provable facts, sources, citations, or
>> proof.  Until you do so, you haven't actually presented a valid argument.
>>
>> mark->
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 03:03:33PM -0600, Paul McNary via Filepro-list thus spoke:
>>> Comcast has already changed it's term of service so that nothing
>>> really changes for them except
>>> for some additional reporting that will have minimal impact on their
>>> resources. However for
>>> a small WISP like we are, the resources to report for us is probably
>>> 2 employees full time.
>>> That's more employees than we have now just for Net Neutrality
>>> reporting and ComCast can
>>> still play the same game they do now if they properly word it and
>>> disclose in their terms of service.
>>> Terms of service can be changed daily and posted to a web site. The
>>> the lawyers already on staff
>>> deal with it. A single Net Neutrality case and we successfully
>>> defend, still costs between $30-50000,
>>> in legal fees and can not be collected from the losing party.
>>>
>>> The crap in in the details not the bullet points.
>>>
>>> Paul McNary
>>>
>>>> On 1/29/2017 8:45 AM, Boaz Bezborodko via Filepro-list wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:27:48 -0500
>>>>> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
>>>>> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Net Neutrality
>>>>> Message-ID: <20170127172748.GI10126 at iglou.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:08:57PM -0500, Boaz Bezborodko via
>>>>> Filepro-list thus spoke:
>>>>>> The downside is the increased costs and reduced options that come
>>>>>> with a regulated government market.  For the big guys this is a
>>>>>> feature, not a bug.  Kill off the small guys so that the big guys
>>>>>> get to slice things up and capture the regulatory system.
>>>>> Oh. My. God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Comcast can absolutely be trusted not to gouge people after it's
>>>>> finished gobbling up the little guys, as it's been steadily doing for
>>>>> years.  I'm sure the consumers will fare well when Comcast holds all or
>>>>> most of the cards, and there's practically zero government regulation
>>>>> barring them from giving people the shaft.
>>>>>
>>>>> *facepalm*
>>>>>
>>>>> You might want to invest in a GPS system, because you just unknowning
>>>>> crossed the border into the Imaginary Realm.
>>>>>
>>>>> mark->
>>>> (I'm repeating because my response because my phone sent it in HTML.)
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly my point...Comcast can exist as it does because of
>>>> more government regulation.
>>>> You say that a Comcast is what you don't want, and then you tell
>>>> me that you want to set up more government regulations.
>>>>
>>>>
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