From gccconsulting at comcast.net  Wed Apr  1 06:29:20 2009
From: gccconsulting at comcast.net (GCC Consulting)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:29:20 -0400
Subject: "Created by" system maintained field (@cb)
In-Reply-To: <49D2E241.4080604@spamcop.net>
References: <025201c9b23a$8f31e970$0c0201c9@Tiger>	<49D27FC0.2010207@spamcop.net>
	<49D2E241.4080604@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <001501c9b2cd$de8333b0$9b899b10$@net>

Correct.  Long day yesterday.

I also add fields for who modified the file and when.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
>
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Brody
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:41 PM
> To: filePro Mailing List
> Subject: Re: "Created by" system maintained field (@cb)
> 
> Kenneth Brody wrote:
> [...]
> > filePro will only set @CB and @UB when creating a new record.  In the
over
> > 25 years since Profile/filePro first came out, I do not recall ever
having
> > heard of it doing otherwise.
> 
> That should, of course, be @CB and @CD.
> 
> [...]
> 
> --
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From rkreiss1 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  1 06:46:46 2009
From: rkreiss1 at comcast.net (RKreiss1)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:46:46 -0400
Subject: -r variables
Message-ID: <001c01c9b2d0$4d0ba400$e722ec00$@net>

This is more of a reminder for those of us who use -r command line variables
to pass information.

I have a routine which allow for the printing of up to twenty invoices and
packing slips which runs from a clerk process.  

The invoice program, if run directly from the menu not using this routine,
will prompt, with an input popup to print or exit.  When coming from the
"print All" routine this popup needs to be skipped.  

The command line passes a counter value ct(2,.0) using -rw as part of the
command line passed to system.  The invoice print program had

If: @pw gt "1"
Then: GOTO printit

This worked fine until the 10th invoice was set to print.  At this point the
input popup appeared for the next 11 invoices.  To get around the problem
the clerk would put a stapler on the <enter> key so she didn't have to sit
there and press <enter> each time.

The problem was mine, as some of you would point out.  To correct the
problem, I added the following:

If: pw(2,.0,g) = ""
Then: pm=@pw
If: @pw gt "1"
Then: GOTO printit

This solved the problem.  It appears that I needed to use and numeric field
to insure that this routine worked properly.

So, if you are passing values at the command line and for some reason your
program does not seem to be responding properly to the @p...,
Try using a temporary field or long variable with the proper edit applied.


Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
? 




From scott at logicdatasystems.com  Wed Apr  1 11:29:51 2009
From: scott at logicdatasystems.com (Scott Nelson)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: medicare billing]
Message-ID: <49D3B29F.5010909@logicdatasystems.com>

this was on the iXorg list, and I thought there may be a filePro 
application like this.


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From scooter6 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 14:53:40 2009
From: scooter6 at gmail.com (scooter6 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:53:40 -0400
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
Message-ID: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com>

I have output processing that asks the user for beginning client number,
ending client number, beginning action date and ending action date.

Recently it stopped working?

I have PFCMARK=80

the output looks like this:

If: fa=""
Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "

If: fb=""
Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "

If: ff=""
Then: input ff "Enter 1st date"

If: ll=""
Then: input ll "From"<ff<"to what ending date"

If: 18 lt ff
Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng

If: 18 gt ll
Then: dl(8,mdy/)="12/31/79"

If: 18 gt ll
Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl

If: 18 lt ff
Then: end

If: 18 gt ll
Then: end

If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
Then: select

This has worked for years but we recently upgraded to 5.6 and not it just
quickly ends, without selecting any records??

Any insight why that might be?

thanks

Scott





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From scooter6 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 15:15:16 2009
From: scooter6 at gmail.com (scooter6 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:15:16 -0400
Subject: printing to KM Bizhub 421 SCO/filepro
In-Reply-To: <445ca8160902020707w59bdae73u49b90fa52e7dabb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445ca8160902020707w59bdae73u49b90fa52e7dabb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <445ca8160904011515p1299c6ax2bada9ff0641ae5f@mail.gmail.com>

  Okay, based on other suggestions from this thread, I am able to print to
these bizhubs now......

  The only problem I have now is having line boxes drawn on some
letters....they come out as garbage....
   I assume this is because I need to use a certian printer termcap file or
entries?

  Can anyone elaborate on what I'm missing in order for straight lines to
get drawn, etc???

  thanks

  Scott



On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, scooter6 at gmail.com <scooter6 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Trying to get the ability to print to a printer/copier/scanner that is a
> Konica Minolta Bizhub 421 from SCO Openserver 5.0.5 with new filepro 5.6
> upgrade that we did this weekend.........is this even possible?
> Client's vendor suggested using HP LaserJet 4 drivers out of Unix and it
> should work....but...uhh.....not so simple apparently...ha
>
> Scott
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From jlasman at telus.net  Wed Apr  1 16:12:28 2009
From: jlasman at telus.net (Jim Asman)
Date: Wed,  1 Apr 2009 16:12:28 -0700
Subject: printing to KM Bizhub 421 SCO/filepro
Message-ID: <ID-00004202-49D3F4DC-0000-0002@telus.net>

--------------- Original Message ---------------
At 06:15P Wed Apr 01 2009, scooter6 at gmail.com wrote:

>   Okay, based on other suggestions from this thread, I am able to print to
> these bizhubs now......
> 
>   The only problem I have now is having line boxes drawn on some
> letters....they come out as garbage....
>    I assume this is because I need to use a certian printer termcap file or
> entries?
> 
>   Can anyone elaborate on what I'm missing in order for straight lines to
> get drawn, etc???
> 

It sounds like you are not using PC-8 symbols.

Put   $1b (10U  in the filepro printer initialization code.

It is there in any of the hp-xxx tables that I wrote.


Jim 
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Jim Asman                              10221 144a Street            
Phone: (604)584-0977                   Surrey, BC  V3R 3P7   CANADA            
 Cell: (604)619-0977                   www.spectracolorservices.com


From scooter6 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 08:06:44 2009
From: scooter6 at gmail.com (scooter6 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:06:44 -0400
Subject: can't add color to screens
Message-ID: <445ca8160904020806r7fbbad1fua9b824cb17811bc9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm making some changes to some old screens......SCO OpenServer funning
filepro 5.6

When I updated a screen, it stated it was going to convert from monochrome
to color....I said "Y"

I changed some text on a screen, not my screen is black background with
white text -- before the changes the screen background was blue with white
text?

When using the F7 box functions, I get no availability to do 'color'
changes??
Is there something not set properly as far as a envirnonment variable for
filepro? It acts as if it thinks system has no color capabilities??

Thanks

Scott
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From gccconsulting at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 08:32:22 2009
From: gccconsulting at comcast.net (GCC Consulting)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:32:22 -0400
Subject: can't add color to screens
In-Reply-To: <445ca8160904020806r7fbbad1fua9b824cb17811bc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445ca8160904020806r7fbbad1fua9b824cb17811bc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c9b3a8$37b8b7e0$a72a27a0$@net>

 

 

From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On Behalf Of scooter6 at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:07 AM
To: filePro Mailing List
Subject: can't add color to screens

 

I'm making some changes to some old screens......SCO OpenServer funning
filepro 5.6

 

When I updated a screen, it stated it was going to convert from monochrome
to color....I said "Y" 

 

I changed some text on a screen, not my screen is black background with
white text -- before the changes the screen background was blue with white
text?

 

When using the F7 box functions, I get no availability to do 'color'
changes??  

Is there something not set properly as far as a envirnonment variable for
filepro? It acts as if it thinks system has no color capabilities??

 

Thanks

 

Scott

 

Scott,

 

Laura Brody has a utility that will allow you to easily add color to the
*nix screens.

 

http://www.hvcomputer.com

 

 

Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting

rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
  

 

 

 

 

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From scooter6 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 08:36:23 2009
From: scooter6 at gmail.com (scooter6 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:36:23 -0400
Subject: can't add color to screens
In-Reply-To: <00a101c9b3a8$37b8b7e0$a72a27a0$@net>
References: <445ca8160904020806r7fbbad1fua9b824cb17811bc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a101c9b3a8$37b8b7e0$a72a27a0$@net>
Message-ID: <445ca8160904020836sc08b28ci9e81bd0901eb8e47@mail.gmail.com>

 Thanks Richard - looks like their website is under some
reconstruction......
  Is there a link to her utility somewhere??

  thanks

  Scott

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, GCC Consulting
<gccconsulting at comcast.net>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com[mailto:
> filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting <filepro-list-bounces%2Bgccconsulting>=
> comcast.net at lists.celestial.com] *On Behalf Of *scooter6 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:07 AM
> *To:* filePro Mailing List
> *Subject:* can't add color to screens
>
>
>
> I'm making some changes to some old screens......SCO OpenServer funning
> filepro 5.6
>
>
>
> When I updated a screen, it stated it was going to convert from monochrome
> to color....I said "Y"
>
>
>
> I changed some text on a screen, not my screen is black background with
> white text -- before the changes the screen background was blue with white
> text?
>
>
>
> When using the F7 box functions, I get no availability to do 'color'
> changes??
>
> Is there something not set properly as far as a envirnonment variable for
> filepro? It acts as if it thinks system has no color capabilities??
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
>
>
> Laura Brody has a utility that will allow you to easily add color to the
> *nix screens.
>
>
>
> http://www.hvcomputer.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Kreiss
> GCC Consulting
>
> rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From laura at hvcomputer.com  Thu Apr  2 09:15:32 2009
From: laura at hvcomputer.com (Laura Brody)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:15:32 -0400
Subject: can't add color to screens
In-Reply-To: <445ca8160904020836sc08b28ci9e81bd0901eb8e47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445ca8160904020806r7fbbad1fua9b824cb17811bc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a101c9b3a8$37b8b7e0$a72a27a0$@net>
	<445ca8160904020836sc08b28ci9e81bd0901eb8e47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402121532.cb22moipsw4ooco0-ynhenoebql@webmail.spamcop.net>

Quoting "scooter6 at gmail.com" <scooter6 at gmail.com>:

>  Thanks Richard - looks like their website is under some
> reconstruction......

Ken rewrote the website and ran out of steam before he put the
shopping pages back...


>   Is there a link to her utility somewhere??

The utility is called "fP Screen Painter". It is part of the
"filePro Toolkit #1". I sell it for $199. It is written in
filePro and works on all platforms, filePro v4.8 or higher.
It does not allow you to change text, fields or graphics on
existing screens, but it DOES allow you to choose from the
available colors and then "paint" it on existing screens.

>
>   thanks
>
>   Scott
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, GCC Consulting
> <gccconsulting at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*   
>> filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com[mailto:
>> filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting <filepro-list-bounces%2Bgccconsulting>=
>> comcast.net at lists.celestial.com] *On Behalf Of *scooter6 at gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:07 AM
>> *To:* filePro Mailing List
>> *Subject:* can't add color to screens
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm making some changes to some old screens......SCO OpenServer funning
>> filepro 5.6
>>
>>
>>
>> When I updated a screen, it stated it was going to convert from monochrome
>> to color....I said "Y"
>>
>>
>>
>> I changed some text on a screen, not my screen is black background with
>> white text -- before the changes the screen background was blue with white
>> text?
>>
>>
>>
>> When using the F7 box functions, I get no availability to do 'color'
>> changes??
>>
>> Is there something not set properly as far as a envirnonment variable for
>> filepro? It acts as if it thinks system has no color capabilities??
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Brody has a utility that will allow you to easily add color to the
>> *nix screens.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.hvcomputer.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Kreiss
>> GCC Consulting
>>
>> rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



--
Laura Brody
+------------- Hudson Valley Computer Associates, Inc ----------+
| PO Box 859; 120 Sixth Street   http://www.hvcomputer.com      |
| Verplanck, NY 10596-0859       Voice mail: (914) 739-5004     |
+------ PC repair locally, filePro programming globally --------+

From tony at ynotsoftware.com  Thu Apr  2 12:30:54 2009
From: tony at ynotsoftware.com (Tony Freehauf)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:30:54 -0500
Subject: OT:  SCO Unix Mas 90 support
Message-ID: <49D5126E.5050406@ynotsoftware.com>

OT: SCO Unix Mas 90 support
does anyone support this product
thanks
tony

-- 
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YNOT Software & PC Support
tony at ynotsoftware.com
http:\\www.ynotsoftware.com
Phone 815.828.5393
Fax   866.871.6756
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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Thu Apr  2 13:01:51 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:01:51 -0400
Subject: OT:  SCO Unix Mas 90 support
In-Reply-To: <49D5126E.5050406@ynotsoftware.com>
References: <49D5126E.5050406@ynotsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <49D519AF.6070002@spamcop.net>

Tony Freehauf wrote:
> OT: SCO Unix Mas 90 support
> does anyone support this product

This site looks like the "official" MAS 90 support site:

     http://www.sagemas.com/support_services/mas90_mas200

However, I see nothing about platforms.  Perhaps they've gone the "you mean 
there's something other than Windows out there" route?

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com  Thu Apr  2 12:54:45 2009
From: amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com (Alan Mazuti)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:54:45 -0700
Subject: OT:  SCO Unix Mas 90 support
In-Reply-To: <49D519AF.6070002@spamcop.net>
References: <49D5126E.5050406@ynotsoftware.com> <49D519AF.6070002@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c9b3cc$df7050f0$9e50f2d0$@com>

Sage/Best software discontinued support for MAS90 under UNIX around 5 or
more years ago.  At one time I worked quite a bit with MAS90.

Alan
TSI

-----Original Message-----
From: filepro-list-bounces+amazu=trusteeservicesinc.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+amazu=trusteeservicesinc.com at lists.celestial.co
m] On Behalf Of Kenneth Brody
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:02 PM
To: tony at ynotsoftware.com
Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: Re: OT: SCO Unix Mas 90 support

Tony Freehauf wrote:
> OT: SCO Unix Mas 90 support
> does anyone support this product

This site looks like the "official" MAS 90 support site:

     http://www.sagemas.com/support_services/mas90_mas200

However, I see nothing about platforms.  Perhaps they've gone the "you mean 
there's something other than Windows out there" route?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Sun Apr  5 16:17:59 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:17:59 -0400
Subject: List Box 
Message-ID: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>

With the listbox command...

 

Can the 8th parameter to specify initial highlight position be a variable?

 

What I'm trying to do is when the list box pops up, I want to start on the
position I was last on.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

 

Scott Walker

RAM Systems Corp

(704) 896-6549

ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com

 

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From flowersoft at compuserve.com  Sun Apr  5 16:51:32 2009
From: flowersoft at compuserve.com (George)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:51:32 -0400
Subject: List Box 
In-Reply-To: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
Message-ID: <000901c9b649$73673020$5a359060$@com>

Yes.

 

From: filepro-list-bounces+flowersoft=compuserve.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+flowersoft=compuserve.com at lists.celestial.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Walker
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:18 PM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: List Box 

 

With the listbox command...

 

Can the 8th parameter to specify initial highlight position be a variable?

 

What I'm trying to do is when the list box pops up, I want to start on the
position I was last on.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

 

Scott Walker

RAM Systems Corp

(704) 896-6549

ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com

 

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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Sun Apr  5 20:50:25 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:50:25 -0400
Subject: List Box
In-Reply-To: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
Message-ID: <49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>

Scott Walker wrote:
> With the listbox command...
> 
> Can the 8th parameter to specify initial highlight position be a variable?

[cue canned answer...]

What happened when you tried it?

[...]

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From nlp at vss3.com  Mon Apr  6 08:45:58 2009
From: nlp at vss3.com (Nancy Palmquist)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:45:58 -0400
Subject: List Box
In-Reply-To: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
Message-ID: <49DA23B6.7030901@vss3.com>

Scott Walker wrote:
>
> With the listbox command?..
>
> Can the 8^th parameter to specify initial highlight position be a 
> variable?
>
> What I?m trying to do is when the list box pops up, I want to start on 
> the position I was last on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
> Scott Walker
>
> RAM Systems Corp
>
> (704) 896-6549
>
> ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Filepro-list mailing list
> Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list
>   
Scott,

I just use PUSHKEY on stuff like that to move to the right place. It 
works on MENU and LISTBOX. Also works on browses for some great tricks.

I can not remember that I tried that 8th element, but it would be an 
expression, so make sure it was quoted.

Nancy

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Virtual Software Systems	Web Based Training and Consulting	
PHONE: (412) 835-9417		   Web site:  http://www.vss3.com


From john at valar.com  Mon Apr  6 22:40:23 2009
From: john at valar.com (John Esak)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 01:40:23 -0400
Subject: List Box
In-Reply-To: <49DA23B6.7030901@vss3.com>
Message-ID: <200904070540.n375eNRD082190@admin114.securesites.net>

> 
> I can not remember that I tried that 8th element, but it would be an 
> expression, so make sure it was quoted.
> 
> Nancy
> 

I use this parameter all the time. I think what Nancy means is not that you
have to quote an expression.... But rather that the parameter is an
expression... So if as your expression, you want to use a literal then *it*
would have to be quoted as in "7" or "5", etc.  If you truly use an
expression  (and it isn't the sub class of an expression called a literal,
but rather an actual expression that will boil down and resolve into a
literal number) than you do *not* want to quote it.  For example AA, BB,
my_big_declared_variable, or even 15/AA, would all *not* require, and even
balk if quotes where used.

I guess the best way to think of it is to continue putting quotes around
literals as always, whether they are part of an expression or stand by
themselves.  And in the end run I'm guessing again that what Nancy meant was
the final result of the expression after filePro resolves it must be an
integer within the limits of the size of the listbox (or menu, or @br key,
array, etc.,etc.

John Esak



From amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com  Tue Apr  7 09:14:18 2009
From: amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com (Alan Mazuti)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:14:18 -0700
Subject: Problem with readline
In-Reply-To: <49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
	<49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>

Just installed the latest version of filePro for linux and I am getting a
segmentation error when I use the below code when using the command
readline.  This worked using the previous version.  Besides going back to
the previous version anybody have any thoughts.  Below is the code.  The
opendir commands succeeds and fn contains a valid filename and xa="1".  As
soon as It hits the ab=readline(xa,ln) I get the segmentation error.

dreport = 5.6.07D4
redhat linux = 2.4.21-58.

Alan

::xa(8,#)                         'Array subscript':
::aa(8,#)                         'Number of files in directory':
::ab(8,*)                         'Number bytes read in':
::fn(32,*)                        'Name of file we will import':
::ln(80,*)                        'Text line':
::xx(8,#):
::xx="1":
::aa=opendir("*.XML","/appl/ingeo/tsi"):
process1:::
::fn=@dirlist_name[xx]{"."{@dirlist_ext[xx]   'Name of file to import:
::xa=open("/appl/ingeo/tsi/"{fn,"rt")         'Open file':
process2:::
::ab=readline(xa,ln)                          'Read a line in':


From fairlite at fairlite.com  Tue Apr  7 09:47:27 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:47:27 -0400
Subject: Problem with readline
In-Reply-To: <001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>;
	from amazu@trusteeservicesinc.com on Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at
	09:14:18AM -0700
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>
	<49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>
	<001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>
Message-ID: <20090407124727.A1923@iglou.com>

Only Alan Mazuti would say something like:
> opendir commands succeeds and fn contains a valid filename and xa="1".  As
> soon as It hits the ab=readline(xa,ln) I get the segmentation error.
> 
> ::xa(8,#)                         'Array subscript':
> ::ln(80,*)                        'Text line':

You're casting "ln" as 80 long.  I suspect you're hitting a line longer
than 80.  It is documented that it should use the length of the field but
it sounds like a bounds checking bug was introduced.

Two potential workarounds depending on your goal:

1) Specify a 3rd argument, "80", for readline if you really only want the
first 80 characters.

2) Use "ln" uncast, and specify "32767" as the third argument to readline.
That will give you the full line to the NL, and resize the field.

This assumes the bug is only of medium severity.  These might not work if
it's really hosed badly.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com  Tue Apr  7 09:57:25 2009
From: amazu at trusteeservicesinc.com (Alan Mazuti)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:57:25 -0700
Subject: Problem with readline
In-Reply-To: <20090407124727.A1923@iglou.com>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>	<49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>	<001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>
	<20090407124727.A1923@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c9b7a1$edf14700$c9d3d500$@com>

Specify a 3rd argument of 80 works and the lines that I am importing are not
longer than 80 characters.   Tried ln as uncast and that generated a syntax
error.

Thanks

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: filepro-list-bounces+amazu=trusteeservicesinc.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+amazu=trusteeservicesinc.com at lists.celestial.co
m] On Behalf Of Fairlight
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:47 AM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Problem with readline

Only Alan Mazuti would say something like:
> opendir commands succeeds and fn contains a valid filename and xa="1".  As
> soon as It hits the ab=readline(xa,ln) I get the segmentation error.
> 
> ::xa(8,#)                         'Array subscript':
> ::ln(80,*)                        'Text line':

You're casting "ln" as 80 long.  I suspect you're hitting a line longer
than 80.  It is documented that it should use the length of the field but
it sounds like a bounds checking bug was introduced.

Two potential workarounds depending on your goal:

1) Specify a 3rd argument, "80", for readline if you really only want the
first 80 characters.

2) Use "ln" uncast, and specify "32767" as the third argument to readline.
That will give you the full line to the NL, and resize the field.

This assumes the bug is only of medium severity.  These might not work if
it's really hosed badly.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"
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From brian at aljex.com  Tue Apr  7 10:14:54 2009
From: brian at aljex.com (Brian K. White)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:14:54 -0400
Subject: Problem with readline
In-Reply-To: <001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>
References: <000601c9b644$c3d928b0$4b8b7a10$@com>	<49D97C01.5020408@spamcop.net>
	<001401c9b79b$e796bf80$b6c43e80$@com>
Message-ID: <49DB8A0E.5020103@aljex.com>


Alan Mazuti wrote:
> Just installed the latest version of filePro for linux and I am getting a
> segmentation error when I use the below code when using the command
> readline.  This worked using the previous version.  Besides going back to
> the previous version anybody have any thoughts.  Below is the code.  The
> opendir commands succeeds and fn contains a valid filename and xa="1".  As
> soon as It hits the ab=readline(xa,ln) I get the segmentation error.
>
> dreport = 5.6.07D4
> redhat linux = 2.4.21-58.
>
> Alan
>
> ::xa(8,#)                         'Array subscript':
> ::aa(8,#)                         'Number of files in directory':
> ::ab(8,*)                         'Number bytes read in':
> ::fn(32,*)                        'Name of file we will import':
> ::ln(80,*)                        'Text line':
> ::xx(8,#):
> ::xx="1":
> ::aa=opendir("*.XML","/appl/ingeo/tsi"):
> process1:::
> ::fn=@dirlist_name[xx]{"."{@dirlist_ext[xx]   'Name of file to import:
> ::xa=open("/appl/ingeo/tsi/"{fn,"rt")         'Open file':
> process2:::
> ::ab=readline(xa,ln)                          'Read a line in':
>   
Add the 3rd parameter to readline()
It's supposed to be optional but we have had problems with that also in 
5.0.15 and not in 5.0.14 and below.

-- 
bkw


From richard at axzas.com  Thu Apr  9 07:29:55 2009
From: richard at axzas.com (Richard D. Williams)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:29:55 -0500
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
In-Reply-To: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>

Try this;

If: dl ne ""
Then: end
If: q ne ""
Then: goto start
if:
Then: cls
If:  
Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
If:
Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
If:
Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
If:
Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
If:
Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? (Y/N)";cls
If: q ne "Y"
Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
If:
Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
start: If: 18 gt ll
Then: goto endit
If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
Then: select
If:
Then: end
endit: If:
Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
If:
Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
If:
Then: end


scooter6 at gmail.com wrote:

> I have output processing that asks the user for beginning client 
> number, ending client number, beginning action date and ending action 
> date.
>  
> Recently it stopped working?
>  
> I have PFCMARK=80
>  
> the output looks like this:
>  
> If: fa=""
> Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
>  
> If: fb=""
> Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
>  
> If: ff=""
> Then: input ff "Enter 1st date"
>  
> If: ll=""
> Then: input ll "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
>  
> If: 18 lt ff
> Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
>  
> If: 18 gt ll
> Then: dl(8,mdy/)="12/31/79"
>  
> If: 18 gt ll
> Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
>  
> If: 18 lt ff
> Then: end
>  
> If: 18 gt ll
> Then: end
>  
> If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
> Then: select
>  
> This has worked for years but we recently upgraded to 5.6 and not it 
> just quickly ends, without selecting any records??
>  
> Any insight why that might be?
>  
> thanks
>  
> Scott
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> If: 18 lt ll
>  
>
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From bruce at stn.com  Thu Apr  9 07:45:04 2009
From: bruce at stn.com (Bruce Easton)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:45:04 -0400
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
In-Reply-To: <49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>
References: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>
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(top post)
 
Richard - a couple of quick things to check - did you try to rebuild index
H?  Also, does your 
script line that executes this report still have the -iH on it?
 
Bruce
 
Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.


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From: filepro-list-bounces+bruce=stn.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+bruce=stn.com at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of
Richard D. Williams
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:30 AM
To: scooter6 at gmail.com
Cc: filePro Mailing List
Subject: Re: setting high date and PFCMARK


Try this;

If: dl ne ""
Then: end
If: q ne ""
Then: goto start
if:
Then: cls
If:   
Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
If:
Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
If:
Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
If:
Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
If:
Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? (Y/N)";cls
If: q ne "Y"
Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
If:
Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
start: If: 18 gt ll
Then: goto endit
If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
Then: select
If:
Then: end
endit: If:
Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
If:
Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
If:
Then: end


scooter6 at gmail.com wrote:


I have output processing that asks the user for beginning client number,
ending client number, beginning action date and ending action date.
 
Recently it stopped working?
 
I have PFCMARK=80
 
the output looks like this:
 
If: fa=""
Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
 
If: fb=""
Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
 
If: ff=""
Then: input ff "Enter 1st date"
 
If: ll=""
Then: input ll "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
 
If: 18 lt ff
Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
 
If: 18 gt ll
Then: dl(8,mdy/)="12/31/79"
 
If: 18 gt ll
Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
 
If: 18 lt ff
Then: end
 
If: 18 gt ll
Then: end
 
If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
Then: select
 
This has worked for years but we recently upgraded to 5.6 and not it just
quickly ends, without selecting any records??
 
Any insight why that might be?
 
thanks
 
Scott
 
 
 
 
 
If: 18 lt ll
 


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From fp at fpgroups.com  Thu Apr  9 09:20:04 2009
From: fp at fpgroups.com (Jose Lerebours)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:20:04 -0400
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
In-Reply-To: <49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>
References: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>
Message-ID: <49DE2034.3060604@fpgroups.com>

Richard D. Williams wrote:
> Try this;
>
> If: dl ne ""
> Then: end
> If: q ne ""
> Then: goto start
> if:
> Then: cls
> If:  
> Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
> If:
> Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
> If:
> Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
> If:
> Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
> If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
> Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> If:
> Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? (Y/N)";cls
> If: q ne "Y"
> Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> If:
> Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
> *start*: If: 18 gt ll
> Then: goto endit
> If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
> Then: select
> If:
> Then: end
> *endit*: If:
> Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
> If:
> Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
> If:
> Then: end
>

The first two lines of code should keep the script from asking the questions
and performing the lookup more than once.

I would make two changes

(1) Add
if:  not -
then: end

right after the original lookup. 

(2) Additionally, I would not use a hard coded date to jump to
possible last date, simply add a couple of years to end-date

then:  dl(8,mdy/,g)=ll+"1095"    'Add 3 years to end date

By adding the three years to end date, no matter what your PFCMARK is set,
it is less likely that your code will break (should it be ported to a 
different
environment or PFCMARK have an unexpected value).

Regards,


Jose Lerebours
954-559-7186
http://www.fpgroups.com


From bruce at stn.com  Thu Apr  9 10:09:36 2009
From: bruce at stn.com (Bruce Easton)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:09:36 -0400
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
In-Reply-To: <49DE2034.3060604@fpgroups.com>
References: <445ca8160904011453y5a7ce79do64390e6cf7c3876a@mail.gmail.com><49DE0663.7090107@axzas.com>
	<49DE2034.3060604@fpgroups.com>
Message-ID: <A6367233D5594A6F8FD736DD01906889@DONDESKTOP>

Jose Lerebours wrote Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:20 PM:
> 
> Richard D. Williams wrote:
> > Try this;
> >
> > If: dl ne ""
> > Then: end
> > If: q ne ""
> > Then: goto start
> > if:
> > Then: cls
> > If:  
> > Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
> > If:
> > Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
> > If:
> > Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
> > If:
> > Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
> > If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
> > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > If:
> > Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? 
> (Y/N)";cls
> > If: q ne "Y"
> > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > If:
> > Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
> > *start*: If: 18 gt ll
> > Then: goto endit
> > If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
> > Then: select
> > If:
> > Then: end
> > *endit*: If:
> > Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
> > If:
> > Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
> > If:
> > Then: end
> >
> 
> The first two lines of code should keep the script from 
> asking the questions and performing the lookup more than once.
> 
> I would make two changes
> 
> (1) Add
> if:  not -
> then: end
> 
> right after the original lookup. 
> 
> (2) Additionally, I would not use a hard coded date to jump 
> to possible last date, simply add a couple of years to end-date
> 
> then:  dl(8,mdy/,g)=ll+"1095"    'Add 3 years to end date
> 
> By adding the three years to end date, no matter what your 
> PFCMARK is set, it is less likely that your code will break 
> (should it be ported to a different environment or PFCMARK 
> have an unexpected value).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Jose Lerebours

I frequently surprised by systems where people enter dates 
way off into the future, either by accident, and in some cases, 
to use the date field as a marker of some kind.

Therefore, regarding Jose's point #2, it might be safest to
have your selection flow like so (when working w/eight-
digit selection dates and using lookup-dash to speed rpt):

Then: qq(2,*)=getenv("PFCMARK")
  If: qq eq ""
Then: goto XXXX  'PFCMARK missing--abort lu-dash; read all recs
  If: qr eq ""
Then: qr(2,.0,g)=qq; qr=qr-"1"; dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/"{qr
  If: 
Then: 'continue here with lookup dash technique using 'dl'
      .....

XXXX If:  '(common selection tests without using lookup-dash)

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.





From bruce at stn.com  Thu Apr  9 10:30:58 2009
From: bruce at stn.com (Bruce Easton)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:30:58 -0400
Subject: FW: setting high date and PFCMARK
Message-ID: <F842A7475CE844CBB3D22DB0B4884B9A@DONDESKTOP>

Bruce Easton wrote Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM:

Jose Lerebours wrote Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:20 PM:
> 
> Richard D. Williams wrote:
> > Try this;
> >
> > If: dl ne ""
> > Then: end
> > If: q ne ""
> > Then: goto start
> > if:
> > Then: cls
> > If:  
> > Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
> > If:
> > Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
> > If:
> > Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
> > If:
> > Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
> > If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
> > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > If:
> > Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? 
> (Y/N)";cls
> > If: q ne "Y"
> > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > If:
> > Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
> > *start*: If: 18 gt ll
> > Then: goto endit
> > If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
> > Then: select
> > If:
> > Then: end
> > *endit*: If:
> > Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
> > If:
> > Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
> > If:
> > Then: end
> >
> 
> The first two lines of code should keep the script from asking the 
> questions and performing the lookup more than once.
> 
> I would make two changes
> 
> (1) Add
> if:  not -
> then: end
> 
> right after the original lookup. 
> 
> (2) Additionally, I would not use a hard coded date to jump to 
> possible last date, simply add a couple of years to end-date
> 
> then:  dl(8,mdy/,g)=ll+"1095"    'Add 3 years to end date
> 
> By adding the three years to end date, no matter what your PFCMARK is 
> set, it is less likely that your code will break (should it be ported 
> to a different environment or PFCMARK have an unexpected value).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Jose Lerebours

I frequently surprised by systems where people enter dates way off into the
future, either by accident, and in some cases, to use the date field as a
marker of some kind.

Therefore, regarding Jose's point #2, it might be safest to have your
selection flow like so (when working w/eight- digit selection dates and
using lookup-dash to speed rpt):

Then: qq(2,*)=getenv("PFCMARK"); qs(2,.0)=qq
  If: qs eq "0" and qs ne qq
Then: goto XXXX  'PFCMARK missing/invalid--abort lu-dash; read all recs
  If: dl eq ""
Then: qr(2,rj0)=qs+"0"; qr=qr-"1"; dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/"{qr
  If: 
Then: 'continue here with lookup dash technique using 'dl'
      .....

XXXX If:  '(common selection tests without using lookup-dash)

Bruce

(augmented version :))  I didn't take into consideration as 
Jose pointed out that someone might set PFCMARK to some strange 
value - so I've improved the sample code above.

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.




From bruce at stn.com  Thu Apr  9 10:51:08 2009
From: bruce at stn.com (Bruce Easton)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 13:51:08 -0400
Subject: setting high date and PFCMARK
In-Reply-To: <F842A7475CE844CBB3D22DB0B4884B9A@DONDESKTOP>
References: <F842A7475CE844CBB3D22DB0B4884B9A@DONDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <25C256E00AC943B08E182F32780AD453@DONDESKTOP>

Bruce Easton wrote yet again:
> 
> Bruce Easton wrote Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM:
> 
> Jose Lerebours wrote Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:20 PM:
> > 
> > Richard D. Williams wrote:
> > > Try this;
> > >
> > > If: dl ne ""
> > > Then: end
> > > If: q ne ""
> > > Then: goto start
> > > if:
> > > Then: cls
> > > If:  
> > > Then: input fa(4,#,g) "From Client Number "
> > > If:
> > > Then: input fb(4,#,g) "From "<fa<"to number "
> > > If:
> > > Then: input ff(8,mdy/,g) "Enter 1st date"
> > > If:
> > > Then: input ll(8,mdy/,g) "From"<ff<"to what ending date"
> > > If: fa eq "    " or fb eq "    " or ff eq "" or ll eq ""
> > > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > > If:
> > > Then: input popup ("22","") q(1,yesno,g) "Is this correct? 
> > (Y/N)";cls
> > > If: q ne "Y"
> > > Then: msgbox "No Report Created!";exit
> > > If:
> > > Then: lookup -  k=ff    i=h -ng
> > > *start*: If: 18 gt ll
> > > Then: goto endit
> > > If: 1 ge fa and 1 le fb
> > > Then: select
> > > If:
> > > Then: end
> > > *endit*: If:
> > > Then: dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/79"
> > > If:
> > > Then: lookup - k=dl i=h -nl
> > > If:
> > > Then: end
> > >
> > 
> > The first two lines of code should keep the script from asking the 
> > questions and performing the lookup more than once.
> > 
> > I would make two changes
> > 
> > (1) Add
> > if:  not -
> > then: end
> > 
> > right after the original lookup. 
> > 
> > (2) Additionally, I would not use a hard coded date to jump to 
> > possible last date, simply add a couple of years to end-date
> > 
> > then:  dl(8,mdy/,g)=ll+"1095"    'Add 3 years to end date
> > 
> > By adding the three years to end date, no matter what your 
> PFCMARK is 
> > set, it is less likely that your code will break (should it 
> be ported 
> > to a different environment or PFCMARK have an unexpected value).
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > Jose Lerebours
> 
> I frequently surprised by systems where people enter dates 
> way off into the future, either by accident, and in some 
> cases, to use the date field as a marker of some kind.
> 
> Therefore, regarding Jose's point #2, it might be safest to 
> have your selection flow like so (when working w/eight- digit 
> selection dates and using lookup-dash to speed rpt):
>
> 
> Then: qq(2,*)=getenv("PFCMARK"); qs(2,.0)=qq
>   If: qs eq "0" and qs ne qq and qq ne "00"
> Then: goto XXXX  'PFCMARK missing/invalid--abort lu-dash; 
> read all recs
>   If: dl eq ""
> Then: qr(2,rj0)=qs+"0"; qr=qr-"1"; dl(8,mdy/,g)="12/31/"{qr
>   If: 
> Then: 'continue here with lookup dash technique using 'dl'
>       .....
> 
> XXXX If:  '(common selection tests without using lookup-dash)
> 
> Bruce
> 
> (augmented version :))  I didn't take into consideration as 
> Jose pointed out that someone might set PFCMARK to some 
> strange value - so I've improved the sample code above.
> 
OK, maybe one last improvement :)  - top line needs to 
allow "0" or "00", I believe.  (Although I've never tried 
to see if PFCMARK=00 or PFCMARK=0 are valid settings.)

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.


From yoresoft at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 10 11:25:03 2009
From: yoresoft at sbcglobal.net (Richard Hane)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pixieware
Message-ID: <290196.10501.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone on the list use the software from Pixieware with filePro?
?
If so, please let me know well it works?? Also, are you using it on a *nix or Windows system?
?
Thank you,
Rick Hane
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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Sat Apr 11 04:09:53 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:09:53 -0400
Subject: Pixieware
In-Reply-To: <290196.10501.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>;
	from yoresoft@sbcglobal.net on Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:25:03AM
	-0700
References: <290196.10501.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090411070953.A23811@iglou.com>

The honourable and venerable Richard Hane spoke thus:

> Does anyone on the list use the software from Pixieware with filePro? ?
> If so, please let me know well it works?? Also, are you using it on a
> *nix or Windows system? 

I don't use it, but I just looked at it.

Did you try the Perfection Hydraulics demo site they had linked to at:

http://www.pixieware.com/filepro.htm

???

>From the looks of it, and given the very nature of how it works, you're
probably going to be limited to 80x25 plus some optional graphics, as
it's really a screen scraper.  I can't tell if @wef and the like are even
available.

So far, I've been much more impressed with STN's fPageBuilder than what
I've seen of PixieWare.  YMMV.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From rtr at rsquared.com  Sat Apr 11 16:49:52 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:49:52 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
Message-ID: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com>

Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based on an APR.


From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Sat Apr 11 18:58:16 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:58:16 -0400
Subject: XML Import
Message-ID: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>

I have a new project I am starting on and would like some advice & perhaps
some code.

 

My customer has about (20) factories that they represent.  Each factory has
their own program used to produce  a quote for stuff sold by that factory.
So when my customer needs to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory A, they use factory A's program to produce
the quote.  Then they reenter the data from that quote into my software.
Likewise, if they need to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory B, they use factory B's program to produce
the quote and then reenter data from that quote into my software.  In this
way, my customer can track all the quotes to their cusotomers in one
centralized database.  Many of these programs can (or will in the future) be
able to output an XML file.  The layout of the XML files from each different
factory will be different (and not controlled by us!).

 

Sounds sort of like EDI with no agreed upon standards.

 

So I need some some sort of method of mapping the data from these different
sources, which will be in XML files with different structures, into my quote
program (with it's structure)  for easy importing.   The factories may
change and their XML files may change over time so I really want to avoid
hard coding stuff and instead have some flexible black box type software in
the middle, hopefully in filePro.

 

If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I would
appreciate it.  If you have an application or code that can be incorporated
into my code that would make this process easier, I would be willing to pay
for it.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

Scott Walker

RAM Systems Corp

(704) 896-6549

ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com

 

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From john at valar.com  Sat Apr 11 21:03:16 2009
From: john at valar.com (John Esak)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:03:16 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
Message-ID: <200904120403.n3C43GfK029050@admin114.securesites.net>

At the FP Developer meeting held in Wilmington recently among FP friends and
colleagues at the house of Larry Hoover... we were told that the XML filePro
function was half done... the export part I believe is done, and the import
is nearly done.  (Or the other way around.... sorry... someone else who
attended the meeting will remember).  I believe the part that is done could
probably be obtained from FP Tech within the next couple months or so....
with the remaining half coming a little later.  We also learned that a mySQL
interface of some sort (high level/low level kind of thing like ODBC) was
also in the works.  It has a slightly longer ETA I think because it is being
outsourced I think.  
 
Other than waiting, Nancy has developed some XML apps.  I have, too, but
they are in no shape to send anyone being  a one time knock off each time I
do it.  The XML function has been in the works for awhile, so I haven't
wanted to consolidate my needs into some universal functions.  I just do
what I need to as it comes and am waiting like everyone else for the filePro
upgrades. Why pre-write the wheel?  :-)
 
John
 
 
 

  _____  

From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Walker
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:58 PM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: XML Import



I have a new project I am starting on and would like some advice & perhaps
some code.

 

My customer has about (20) factories that they represent.  Each factory has
their own program used to produce  a quote for stuff sold by that factory.
So when my customer needs to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory A, they use factory A's program to produce
the quote.  Then they reenter the data from that quote into my software.
Likewise, if they need to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory B, they use factory B's program to produce
the quote and then reenter data from that quote into my software.  In this
way, my customer can track all the quotes to their cusotomers in one
centralized database.  Many of these programs can (or will in the future) be
able to output an XML file.  The layout of the XML files from each different
factory will be different (and not controlled by us!).

 

Sounds sort of like EDI with no agreed upon standards.

 

So I need some some sort of method of mapping the data from these different
sources, which will be in XML files with different structures, into my quote
program (with it's structure)  for easy importing.   The factories may
change and their XML files may change over time so I really want to avoid
hard coding stuff and instead have some flexible black box type software in
the middle, hopefully in filePro.

 

If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I would
appreciate it.  If you have an application or code that can be incorporated
into my code that would make this process easier, I would be willing to pay
for it.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

Scott Walker

RAM Systems Corp

(704) 896-6549

ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com

 

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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Sat Apr 11 21:56:48 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:56:48 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>;
	from ScottWalker@RAMSystemsCorp.com on Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at
	09:58:16PM -0400
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
Message-ID: <20090412005648.A15865@iglou.com>

In the relative spacial/temporal region of
Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 09:58:16PM -0400, Scott Walker achieved the spontaneous
generation of the following:
> If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I would
> appreciate it.  If you have an application or code that can be incorporated
> into my code that would make this process easier, I would be willing to pay
> for it.

Getting the XML into fP will be considerably easier with something like:

http://www.fairlite.com/fc/products/xml2csv/

That said, even in a CSV format, you're going to have no way of avoiding
"walking" the data structure to establish data elements' elationships, no
matter what format the data is massaged into.  There's no getting around
that fact.  When the data format changes from one DTD or Schema to the
another, all the relationships you're looking for change as well.

There is no magic bullet (TTBOMK) to get around this fact.  You'd pretty
much need AI to intelligently handle vastly differing formats without user
intervention, in terms of, "What do I do with this data?  Where does it go?
What am I looking for?"  All we can really do is make it a bit less painful
to deal with in fP formatting/parsing-wise--which my xml2csv does.  Try the
demo page.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From roberth at sim-soft.com  Sun Apr 12 13:25:45 2009
From: roberth at sim-soft.com (Bob Thomason)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:25:45 -0500
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c9bbac$dbfd2820$7565a8c0@bobxp1>

I guess I sould reply to all so the list get this as well.

I wrote one a number years ago.  I'll have to find it and "dust it off".

Warmly,
Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants)" <rtr at rsquared.com>
To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR


> Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based on an 
> APR.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Filepro-list mailing list
> Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list 


From wdg3rd at comcast.net  Sun Apr 12 15:23:33 2009
From: wdg3rd at comcast.net (wdg3rd at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:23:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <479380084.1167041239574998924.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <403360929.1167121239575013091.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:03:16 -0400
> From: "John Esak" <john at valar.com>
> Subject: RE: XML Import
> To: "'filePro Mailing List'" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> Message-ID: <200904120403.n3C43GfK029050 at admin114.securesites.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> Other than waiting, Nancy has developed some XML apps.  I have, too,
> but
> they are in no shape to send anyone being  a one time knock off each
> time I
> do it.  The XML function has been in the works for awhile, so I
> haven't
> wanted to consolidate my needs into some universal functions.  I just
> do
> what I need to as it comes and am waiting like everyone else for the
> filePro
> upgrades. Why pre-write the wheel?  :-)

Because maybe this time for a change the wheel will be round, rather than the square and triangular types that SSC and fPTech have always been so fond of.  Makes the ride less bumpy.

I'm looking at Mark's product.  Yes, a fair amount of intervention is required for each new conversion.  That has always been the case.  And even when filePro isn't the source or the destination, I tend to put it in the middle to make things easier for me.  Something I've been doing since the Profile II days, but Profile 16 &seq really improved the situation.  (Unix.  I/O redirection.  Leave it at that).
-- 
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd at comcast.net

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 12 19:46:07 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:46:07 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
In-Reply-To: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com>
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com>
Message-ID: <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>

Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
> Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based on an APR.

Would the TVM_PMT() function do what you're looking for?

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From rtr at rsquared.com  Sun Apr 12 20:00:21 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:00:21 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
In-Reply-To: <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com>
 <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000007991655@rsquared.com>

Believe it or not at 4/12/2009 10:46 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based on an APR.
>
>Would the TVM_PMT() function do what you're looking for?


I looked at that function but it gives me a different answer than the 
calculators I've used for finding payments based on an APR.  Before I 
started working on the program I used calculators on the Internet so 
I would know what answers I was supposed to get.  I used $1000.00, 
13.9%, for 12 months, compounded monthly.  Using TVM_PMT() I get a 
monthly payment of 84.09, with a calculator I get 89.74.  The 
description doesn't mention if it's simple or compound interest. 


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 12 20:20:22 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:20:22 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
In-Reply-To: <auto-000007991655@rsquared.com>
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com> <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>
	<auto-000007991655@rsquared.com>
Message-ID: <49E2AF76.5030401@spamcop.net>

Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
> Believe it or not at 4/12/2009 10:46 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>> Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based on an APR.
>> Would the TVM_PMT() function do what you're looking for?
> 
> I looked at that function but it gives me a different answer than the 
> calculators I've used for finding payments based on an APR.  Before I 
> started working on the program I used calculators on the Internet so 
> I would know what answers I was supposed to get.  I used $1000.00, 
> 13.9%, for 12 months, compounded monthly.  Using TVM_PMT() I get a 
> monthly payment of 84.09, with a calculator I get 89.74.  The 
> description doesn't mention if it's simple or compound interest. 

Hmm...

     xx(8,.2) = tvm_pmt("12","13.9"/"12","1000","0")

gives me "-89.74", just like your calculator.

What did you do that gave you a different number?

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From rtr at rsquared.com  Mon Apr 13 07:53:40 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:53:40 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
In-Reply-To: <49E2AF76.5030401@spamcop.net>
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com> <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>
	<auto-000007991655@rsquared.com> <49E2AF76.5030401@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000007991718@rsquared.com>

Believe it or not at 4/12/2009 11:20 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>Believe it or not at 4/12/2009 10:46 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>>>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>>>Does anyone have a routine that calculates monthly payments based 
>>>>on an APR.
>>>Would the TVM_PMT() function do what you're looking for?
>>I looked at that function but it gives me a different answer than 
>>the calculators I've used for finding payments based on an 
>>APR.  Before I started working on the program I used calculators on 
>>the Internet so I would know what answers I was supposed to get.  I 
>>used $1000.00, 13.9%, for 12 months, compounded monthly.  Using 
>>TVM_PMT() I get a monthly payment of 84.09, with a calculator I get 
>>89.74.  The description doesn't mention if it's simple or compound interest.
>
>Hmm...
>
>     xx(8,.2) = tvm_pmt("12","13.9"/"12","1000","0")
>
>gives me "-89.74", just like your calculator.
>
>What did you do that gave you a different number?
>
>--
>Kenneth Brody

I followed the example Laura had in her help file.
Interpreting the numbers in her example $200,000, 360 months (30 yr 
loan), at 7.25%

      if: ' What would be the payment for this loan?
    then: PMT = TVM_PMT("360",".0725","200000","0") ' PMT will be -631.40595650

I used:
eh=TVM_PMT("12",".139","1000","0")

I see my mistake, instead of using a monthly rate (.139/12) I used 
the APR of .139 in the calculations.

Thanks Ken I never would have seen my error.  I hate when I do that, 
spend days on a problem and the solution is right under my nose and I 
can't see it. 


From nlp at vss3.com  Mon Apr 13 08:40:41 2009
From: nlp at vss3.com (Nancy Palmquist)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:40:41 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
Message-ID: <49E35CF9.1020408@vss3.com>

Scott Walker wrote:
>
> I have a new project I am starting on and would like some advice & 
> perhaps some code.
>
> My customer has about (20) factories that they represent. Each factory 
> has their own program used to produce a quote for stuff sold by that 
> factory. So when my customer needs to produce a quote to one of their 
> customers for something they sell for factory A, they use factory A?s 
> program to produce the quote. Then they reenter the data from that 
> quote into my software. Likewise, if they need to produce a quote to 
> one of their customers for something they sell for factory B, they use 
> factory B?s program to produce the quote and then reenter data from 
> that quote into my software. In this way, my customer can track all 
> the quotes to their cusotomers in one centralized database. Many of 
> these programs can (or will in the future) be able to output an XML 
> file. The layout of the XML files from each different factory will be 
> different (and not controlled by us!).
>
> Sounds sort of like EDI with no agreed upon standards.
>
> So I need some some sort of method of mapping the data from these 
> different sources, which will be in XML files with different 
> structures, into my quote program (with it?s structure) for easy 
> importing. The factories may change and their XML files may change 
> over time so I really want to avoid hard coding stuff and instead have 
> some flexible black box type software in the middle, hopefully in filePro.
>
> If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I 
> would appreciate it. If you have an application or code that can be 
> incorporated into my code that would make this process easier, I would 
> be willing to pay for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
> Scott Walker
>
> RAM Systems Corp
>
> (704) 896-6549
>
> ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Filepro-list mailing list
> Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list
>   
Scott,

I designed an XML <> filepro interface. I set up a filePro database 
which uses the XML tag(s) to do a lookup to the file and then tells me 
what file and field the data should post to or read from. (Depending on 
if you are reading or writing XML)

Each XML structure is assigned a master code (could be something in the 
XML or how you get the file that identifies the source as you called 
Plant A, B, C) so you can get the right interface.

Don't know if you want to talk this over more but I have found it very 
workable, since the formats that I read and write have changed over time 
and all I really had to do was adjust the filePro database to make the 
changes.

Nancy

-- 
Nancy Palmquist 		MOS & filePro Training Available
Virtual Software Systems	Web Based Training and Consulting	
PHONE: (412) 835-9417		   Web site:  http://www.vss3.com


From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Mon Apr 13 08:48:15 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <200904120403.n3C43GfK029050@admin114.securesites.net>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
	<200904120403.n3C43GfK029050@admin114.securesites.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c9bc4f$45fbadd0$d1f30970$@com>

John,

 

Thanks for the input.  I need to get on something with this.  I was hoping
someone had developed a generic "black box" where you could plug in the xml
schema info and your fp file map info and have it do a lot of the heavy
lifting.  With the fact that every xml file from a different source will
have a different schema the only constant is my applications layout.
Perhaps each xml source will have to be programmed by hand.  I will have to
do some real thinking on this.  There has to be a better way than that.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

 

From:
filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.
com] On Behalf Of John Esak
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:03 AM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: RE: XML Import

 

At the FP Developer meeting held in Wilmington recently among FP friends and
colleagues at the house of Larry Hoover... we were told that the XML filePro
function was half done... the export part I believe is done, and the import
is nearly done.  (Or the other way around.... sorry... someone else who
attended the meeting will remember).  I believe the part that is done could
probably be obtained from FP Tech within the next couple months or so....
with the remaining half coming a little later.  We also learned that a mySQL
interface of some sort (high level/low level kind of thing like ODBC) was
also in the works.  It has a slightly longer ETA I think because it is being
outsourced I think.  

 

Other than waiting, Nancy has developed some XML apps.  I have, too, but
they are in no shape to send anyone being  a one time knock off each time I
do it.  The XML function has been in the works for awhile, so I haven't
wanted to consolidate my needs into some universal functions.  I just do
what I need to as it comes and am waiting like everyone else for the filePro
upgrades. Why pre-write the wheel?  :-)

 

John

 

 

 


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From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Walker
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:58 PM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: XML Import

I have a new project I am starting on and would like some advice & perhaps
some code.

 

My customer has about (20) factories that they represent.  Each factory has
their own program used to produce  a quote for stuff sold by that factory.
So when my customer needs to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory A, they use factory A's program to produce
the quote.  Then they reenter the data from that quote into my software.
Likewise, if they need to produce a quote to one of their customers for
something they sell for factory B, they use factory B's program to produce
the quote and then reenter data from that quote into my software.  In this
way, my customer can track all the quotes to their cusotomers in one
centralized database.  Many of these programs can (or will in the future) be
able to output an XML file.  The layout of the XML files from each different
factory will be different (and not controlled by us!).

 

Sounds sort of like EDI with no agreed upon standards.

 

So I need some some sort of method of mapping the data from these different
sources, which will be in XML files with different structures, into my quote
program (with it's structure)  for easy importing.   The factories may
change and their XML files may change over time so I really want to avoid
hard coding stuff and instead have some flexible black box type software in
the middle, hopefully in filePro.

 

If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I would
appreciate it.  If you have an application or code that can be incorporated
into my code that would make this process easier, I would be willing to pay
for it.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

Scott Walker

RAM Systems Corp

(704) 896-6549

ScottWalker at RAMSystemCorp.com

 

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From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Mon Apr 13 09:15:30 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:15:30 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <20090412005648.A15865@iglou.com>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
	<20090412005648.A15865@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <003701c9bc53$12cad540$38607fc0$@com>

Mark,

Thanks for your thoughts.  I looked at your xml2cvs and I can see how that
would make thinks easier.  Like you said, that still leaves me with hand
coding of the fp process to look at the cvs file and walk through the
structure and figure out what to do with each line of data.  Big job for one
xml source.  Huge job for 20 different xml sources with different schema.
Maybe not practical to do.

I don't have a firm idea of how this could be done in an automated or
semi-automated way.  I'm just starting to think about it a get a model in my
head.  

Something like this:

Note:  My fields may be a real field number or real field name or an array
(since there may be multiple instances of a tag, like when we are handling
the line items on an order

I would have a record like this for each XML source in my XML_Sources file:

My Fields			XML Tag (for this source)		One
or Many
=========			=========================
===========
Cust_Code			header.customer_id			one

Order_Date			header.order_dt				one

Part_Num[xx]		item.part_no				many

Desc[xx]			item.description
many

Qty[xx]			item.quantity				many


Then when this was run, I would end up with all the data from the xml source
in my fields/arrays.  My processing would then have to manage getting this
data to my real (permenant) files.

So when I had to deal with the next XML source, in THEORY, perhaps, I
hope/dream, that all I would have to do is create another record in my XML
Sources basically mapping the schema for that source to the fields/arrays in
my processing.  At that point, there would be no additional coding necessary
to get the data to my permanent files.

Anyhow, this is currently totally half baked and is probably ignoring all
the real world problems that will be encountered.  Just a rough idea for
now.

Regards,

Scott






-----Original Message-----
From:
filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.
com] On Behalf Of Fairlight
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:57 AM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: Re: XML Import

In the relative spacial/temporal region of
Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 09:58:16PM -0400, Scott Walker achieved the spontaneous
generation of the following:
> If anyone has done anything like this and can share some guidance, I would
> appreciate it.  If you have an application or code that can be
incorporated
> into my code that would make this process easier, I would be willing to
pay
> for it.

Getting the XML into fP will be considerably easier with something like:

http://www.fairlite.com/fc/products/xml2csv/

That said, even in a CSV format, you're going to have no way of avoiding
"walking" the data structure to establish data elements' elationships, no
matter what format the data is massaged into.  There's no getting around
that fact.  When the data format changes from one DTD or Schema to the
another, all the relationships you're looking for change as well.

There is no magic bullet (TTBOMK) to get around this fact.  You'd pretty
much need AI to intelligently handle vastly differing formats without user
intervention, in terms of, "What do I do with this data?  Where does it go?
What am I looking for?"  All we can really do is make it a bit less painful
to deal with in fP formatting/parsing-wise--which my xml2csv does.  Try the
demo page.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"
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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Mon Apr 13 10:57:21 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:57:21 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <003701c9bc53$12cad540$38607fc0$@com>;
	from ScottWalker@RAMSystemsCorp.com on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at
	12:15:30PM -0400
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
	<20090412005648.A15865@iglou.com>
	<003701c9bc53$12cad540$38607fc0$@com>
Message-ID: <20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>


>From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Scott Walker shouted:
> Mark,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.  I looked at your xml2cvs and I can see how that
> would make thinks easier.  Like you said, that still leaves me with hand
> coding of the fp process to look at the cvs file and walk through the
> structure and figure out what to do with each line of data.  Big job for one
> xml source.  Huge job for 20 different xml sources with different schema.
> Maybe not practical to do.

It's not -too- bad if the information you actually need falls in specific
areas and you can prune whole areas.  Actually, pruning is kind of a
convenience, since you can technically just walk the data tree with
entry/exit hints and ignore the rest.  But it puts less CPU cycles to the
job of walking the tree later in any event.

See after your notes for a practical, real-world point of interest that may
shoot this in the foot.

> I don't have a firm idea of how this could be done in an automated or
> semi-automated way.  I'm just starting to think about it a get a model in my
> head.  
> 
> Something like this:
> 
> Note:  My fields may be a real field number or real field name or an array
> (since there may be multiple instances of a tag, like when we are handling
> the line items on an order
> 
> I would have a record like this for each XML source in my XML_Sources file:
> 
> My Fields			XML Tag (for this source)		One
> or Many
> =========			=========================
> ===========
> Cust_Code			header.customer_id			one
> 
> Order_Date			header.order_dt				one
> 
> Part_Num[xx]		item.part_no				many
> 
> Desc[xx]			item.description
> many
> 
> Qty[xx]			item.quantity				many
> 
> 
> Then when this was run, I would end up with all the data from the xml source
> in my fields/arrays.  My processing would then have to manage getting this
> data to my real (permenant) files.
> 
> So when I had to deal with the next XML source, in THEORY, perhaps, I
> hope/dream, that all I would have to do is create another record in my XML
> Sources basically mapping the schema for that source to the fields/arrays in
> my processing.  At that point, there would be no additional coding necessary
> to get the data to my permanent files.
> 
> Anyhow, this is currently totally half baked and is probably ignoring all
> the real world problems that will be encountered.  Just a rough idea for
> now.

Oh, that falls down in so many ways.  :(

Consider a very simple multi-record response.

<responses>
     <response>
          <order_id>9087251AB</order_id>
          <shipping>
               <first_name>Scott</first_name>
               <last_name>Nelson</last_name>
          </shipping>
          <billing>
               <first_name>Mark</first_name>
               <last_name>Luljak</last_name>
          </billing>
     </response>
     <response>
          <order_id>829025CA2</order_id>
          <shipping>
               <first_name>John</first_name>
               <last_name>Esak</last_name>
          </shipping>
          <billing>
               <first_name>Nancy</first_name>
               <last_name>Palmquist</last_name>
          </billing>
     </response>
</responses>

Okay.  Just that bit as a tiny real-world example of a multi-record
response set...take this little bit.

Assume you map first_name to a field, last_name to another field.
Suddenly, you have multiple last names per record.  Or do you?  What are
you defining as "a record"?  Each instance of Billing?  Each instance of
Shipping?  Each response?  A permutation of both, with header/detail,
requiring multi-pass recursion?

And you want to create records automatically, based on multiple formats,
where "record" could have vastly different meanings?

This is why xml2csv never formally (in a release sense--or even past
pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha proof-of-concept code) went the route of trying to
figure it out.  I started down that path, but it got so convoluted, it
was absolutely impossible to generically define "what is a record"?  The
data correlations change with fluidity to the point where "record" changes
drastically.  You may be looking at sub-records of sub-records of records
and calling those "records" in fP in a header-detail relationship.  Or
you may be looking at one single-response, where a whole response is a
record.  

In a -really- bad case, you may be looking at something like PRIA, a
standard where multiple whole data structures are repeated in different
parts of the document, complete with identical information, nested 3-6
levels deep, and you're only looking at getting one particular subset of
data out of it.  Or different sets of data as different types of "records".

The real problem becomes (and I ran into this in v00.00.01 of xml2csv when
it had a whole different focus similar to yours--before I realisd it was
just flat-out NOT POSSIBLE) what happens when you try to define "a record",
but it's really a subset of another kind of iterative record.  Now try
defining that abstractly so that it applies to multiple formats.  It wasn't
even possible to do reasonably for -one-.

Like I said, AI is basically needed for anything near the kind of black box
you're talking about.  I tried it with tools a lot more suited to the task
than fP has (libexpat, XML::Parser in perl), and it still wasn just not
possible in terms of conventional programming.  You've got randomly
permutated Schemas/DTDs, and you want it to intelligently define, "What is a
record?"  Just within the PRIA standard, ONE Schema, that wasn't even
technically viable, because the reality was that it was records of records
of records of records, maybe 5-6 deep, and depending on how you looked at
it, it could have been any of those permutations.  The real sticking point
is this:

1) If you define the record scope too narrowly, you miss correlation (and
indeed most likely data) outside of that record's scope.

2) If you define the record scope too widely, you miss the ability to
derive meaningful header/detail relationships and form sub-records of any
meaning without significant recursion.  That recursion is -not- something
you want to toss at filePro, or probably do at all.

This is why "walking the data tree" is really the only sane way to do it
reasonably.  And it's why you can only go so far with something like
xml2csv before you -must- roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty
coding.

I spent months just looking at how to make it do what you want to do.  I
came to the conclusion it was simply not viable within any reasonable price
point you care to name.  AI people don't come cheap.

It's not like I haven't given the matter considerable thought.  It was
on/off for two years that I considered how to do it.  It was a couple
months of more hardcore thinking about it before starting to code and at
the start of coding.  If I was still taking that approach, I wouldn't be
done for another two decades, if ever.  It would cost me more to learn the
AI techniques necessary than I could ever recoup at any affordable price
point.  It would for most people, in all likelihood.

Just remember:  "What is a record?"  Hold up 3-5 different Schemas and try
to define it in some meaningful way that crosses data definition
boundaries.  Let me know if you succeed.  I never did.

mark->

From jeffaharrison at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 11:30:16 2009
From: jeffaharrison at yahoo.com (Jeff Harrison)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <108130.98289.qm@web50701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com> wrote:

> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Subject: Re: XML Import
> To: "'filePro Mailing List'" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:57 PM
> >From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Scott
> Walker shouted:
> > Mark,
> > 
<snip>
> 
> Oh, that falls down in so many ways.  :(
> 
<snip>
Yes, it sounds like this process is going to require something or someone thinking and making decisions.  If the object is to minimize the programming time, then Scott may want to consider using JHImport in addition to your xml to CSV converter.  JHImport would provide the user with a wizard where they could map the csv columns to a real live filepro record.  It provides a visual interface and will create the code necessary to perform the import.  It will then run the import if desired.

Jeff Harrison
jeffaharrison at yahoo.com
Author of JHExport and JHImport.  The fastest and easiest ways to export and import filepro data.


      

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 13 11:33:19 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:33:19 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
In-Reply-To: <auto-000007991718@rsquared.com>
References: <auto-000007991569@rsquared.com> <49E2A76F.7000205@spamcop.net>
	<auto-000007991655@rsquared.com> <49E2AF76.5030401@spamcop.net>
	<auto-000007991718@rsquared.com>
Message-ID: <49E3856F.6040001@spamcop.net>

Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
> I followed the example Laura had in her help file.
> Interpreting the numbers in her example $200,000, 360 months (30 yr 
> loan), at 7.25%
> 
>       if: ' What would be the payment for this loan?
>     then: PMT = TVM_PMT("360",".0725","200000","0") ' PMT will be -631.40595650

It looks like you found an error in Laura's help files, since 7.25% should 
be "7.25" (and divided by 12 for monthly interest).  Of course, if you give 
the same "wrong" numbers to a financial calculator, you get the same "wrong" 
answer.

> I used:
> eh=TVM_PMT("12",".139","1000","0")
> 
> I see my mistake, instead of using a monthly rate (.139/12) I used 
> the APR of .139 in the calculations.
> 
> Thanks Ken I never would have seen my error.  I hate when I do that, 
> spend days on a problem and the solution is right under my nose and I 
> can't see it. 

Just plug the same numbers into filePro as you would your calculator.  :-)

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From fairlite at fairlite.com  Mon Apr 13 11:59:38 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:59:38 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <108130.98289.qm@web50701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>;
	from jeffaharrison@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:30:16AM
	-0700
References: <20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>
	<108130.98289.qm@web50701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090413145937.A3993@iglou.com>

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:30:16AM -0700, after drawing runes in goat's
blood, Jeff Harrison cast forth these immortal, mystical words:
> Yes, it sounds like this process is going to require something or
> someone thinking and making decisions.  If the object is to minimize
> the programming time, then Scott may want to consider using JHImport
> in addition to your xml to CSV converter.  JHImport would provide the
> user with a wizard where they could map the csv columns to a real live
> filepro record.  It provides a visual interface and will create the code
> necessary to perform the import.  It will then run the import if desired.

Sounds like a good match, and quite possibly the closest to the desired
goal that one may be able to get.  Your product sounds impressive, Jeff.

One thing...have you seen the output of my product, and the "hints"
(separate CSV records) that you have to follow in order to know where
within the data structure you are?  If your importer can follow that and
create code to follow the desired relationships, sounds like a winning
combination to me.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From jeffaharrison at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 13 12:28:54 2009
From: jeffaharrison at yahoo.com (Jeff Harrison)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <20090413145937.A3993@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <536706.65986.qm@web50709.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com> wrote:

> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Subject: Re: XML Import
> To: "'filePro Mailing List'" <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:59 PM
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:30:16AM -0700, after drawing
> runes in goat's
> blood, Jeff Harrison cast forth these immortal, mystical
> words:
> > Yes, it sounds like this process is going to require
> something or
> > someone thinking and making decisions.  If the object
> is to minimize
> > the programming time, then Scott may want to consider
> using JHImport
> > in addition to your xml to CSV converter.  JHImport
> would provide the
> > user with a wizard where they could map the csv
> columns to a real live
> > filepro record.  It provides a visual interface and
> will create the code
> > necessary to perform the import.  It will then run the
> import if desired.
> 
> Sounds like a good match, and quite possibly the closest to
> the desired
> goal that one may be able to get.  Your product sounds
> impressive, Jeff.
> 
> One thing...have you seen the output of my product, and the
> "hints"
> (separate CSV records) that you have to follow in order to
> know where
> within the data structure you are?  If your importer can
> follow that and
> create code to follow the desired relationships, sounds
> like a winning
> combination to me.
> 
> mark->
> -- 

Thanks for your kind words - granted you haven't seen the product :-)

No, I don't recall ever seeing the output from your converter...  It sounds like you are saying that it uses record types of some sort?  As it is, JHImport assumes that you are using only 1 record type - so some additional modification would be needed if there is more than one.

Jeff Harrison
jeffaharrison at yahoo.com
Author of JHExport and JHImport.  The fastest and easiest ways to export and import filepro data.



      

From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Mon Apr 13 12:29:14 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:29:14 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>	<20090412005648.A15865@iglou.com>	<003701c9bc53$12cad540$38607fc0$@com>
	<20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c9bc6e$22b017c0$68104740$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From:
filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.
com] On Behalf Of Fairlight
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:57 PM
To: 'filePro Mailing List'
Subject: Re: XML Import


>From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Scott Walker shouted:
> Mark,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.  I looked at your xml2cvs and I can see how that
> would make thinks easier.  Like you said, that still leaves me with hand
> coding of the fp process to look at the cvs file and walk through the
> structure and figure out what to do with each line of data.  Big job for
one
> xml source.  Huge job for 20 different xml sources with different schema.
> Maybe not practical to do.

It's not -too- bad if the information you actually need falls in specific
areas and you can prune whole areas.  Actually, pruning is kind of a
convenience, since you can technically just walk the data tree with
entry/exit hints and ignore the rest.  But it puts less CPU cycles to the
job of walking the tree later in any event.

See after your notes for a practical, real-world point of interest that may
shoot this in the foot.

> I don't have a firm idea of how this could be done in an automated or
> semi-automated way.  I'm just starting to think about it a get a model in
my
> head.  
> 
> Something like this:
> 
> Note:  My fields may be a real field number or real field name or an array
> (since there may be multiple instances of a tag, like when we are handling
> the line items on an order
> 
> I would have a record like this for each XML source in my XML_Sources
file:
> 
> My Fields			XML Tag (for this source)		One
> or Many
> =========			=========================
> ===========
> Cust_Code			header.customer_id			one
> 
> Order_Date			header.order_dt				one
> 
> Part_Num[xx]		item.part_no				many
> 
> Desc[xx]			item.description
> many
> 
> Qty[xx]			item.quantity				many
> 
> 
> Then when this was run, I would end up with all the data from the xml
source
> in my fields/arrays.  My processing would then have to manage getting this
> data to my real (permenant) files.
> 
> So when I had to deal with the next XML source, in THEORY, perhaps, I
> hope/dream, that all I would have to do is create another record in my XML
> Sources basically mapping the schema for that source to the fields/arrays
in
> my processing.  At that point, there would be no additional coding
necessary
> to get the data to my permanent files.
> 
> Anyhow, this is currently totally half baked and is probably ignoring all
> the real world problems that will be encountered.  Just a rough idea for
> now.

Oh, that falls down in so many ways.  :(

Consider a very simple multi-record response.

<responses>
     <response>
          <order_id>9087251AB</order_id>
          <shipping>
               <first_name>Scott</first_name>
               <last_name>Nelson</last_name>
          </shipping>
          <billing>
               <first_name>Mark</first_name>
               <last_name>Luljak</last_name>
          </billing>
     </response>
     <response>
          <order_id>829025CA2</order_id>
          <shipping>
               <first_name>John</first_name>
               <last_name>Esak</last_name>
          </shipping>
          <billing>
               <first_name>Nancy</first_name>
               <last_name>Palmquist</last_name>
          </billing>
     </response>
</responses>

Okay.  Just that bit as a tiny real-world example of a multi-record
response set...take this little bit.

Assume you map first_name to a field, last_name to another field.
Suddenly, you have multiple last names per record.  Or do you?  What are
you defining as "a record"?  Each instance of Billing?  Each instance of
Shipping?  Each response?  A permutation of both, with header/detail,
requiring multi-pass recursion?

And you want to create records automatically, based on multiple formats,
where "record" could have vastly different meanings?

This is why xml2csv never formally (in a release sense--or even past
pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha proof-of-concept code) went the route of trying to
figure it out.  I started down that path, but it got so convoluted, it
was absolutely impossible to generically define "what is a record"?  The
data correlations change with fluidity to the point where "record" changes
drastically.  You may be looking at sub-records of sub-records of records
and calling those "records" in fP in a header-detail relationship.  Or
you may be looking at one single-response, where a whole response is a
record.  

In a -really- bad case, you may be looking at something like PRIA, a
standard where multiple whole data structures are repeated in different
parts of the document, complete with identical information, nested 3-6
levels deep, and you're only looking at getting one particular subset of
data out of it.  Or different sets of data as different types of "records".

The real problem becomes (and I ran into this in v00.00.01 of xml2csv when
it had a whole different focus similar to yours--before I realisd it was
just flat-out NOT POSSIBLE) what happens when you try to define "a record",
but it's really a subset of another kind of iterative record.  Now try
defining that abstractly so that it applies to multiple formats.  It wasn't
even possible to do reasonably for -one-.

Like I said, AI is basically needed for anything near the kind of black box
you're talking about.  I tried it with tools a lot more suited to the task
than fP has (libexpat, XML::Parser in perl), and it still wasn just not
possible in terms of conventional programming.  You've got randomly
permutated Schemas/DTDs, and you want it to intelligently define, "What is a
record?"  Just within the PRIA standard, ONE Schema, that wasn't even
technically viable, because the reality was that it was records of records
of records of records, maybe 5-6 deep, and depending on how you looked at
it, it could have been any of those permutations.  The real sticking point
is this:

1) If you define the record scope too narrowly, you miss correlation (and
indeed most likely data) outside of that record's scope.

2) If you define the record scope too widely, you miss the ability to
derive meaningful header/detail relationships and form sub-records of any
meaning without significant recursion.  That recursion is -not- something
you want to toss at filePro, or probably do at all.

This is why "walking the data tree" is really the only sane way to do it
reasonably.  And it's why you can only go so far with something like
xml2csv before you -must- roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty
coding.

I spent months just looking at how to make it do what you want to do.  I
came to the conclusion it was simply not viable within any reasonable price
point you care to name.  AI people don't come cheap.

It's not like I haven't given the matter considerable thought.  It was
on/off for two years that I considered how to do it.  It was a couple
months of more hardcore thinking about it before starting to code and at
the start of coding.  If I was still taking that approach, I wouldn't be
done for another two decades, if ever.  It would cost me more to learn the
AI techniques necessary than I could ever recoup at any affordable price
point.  It would for most people, in all likelihood.

Just remember:  "What is a record?"  Hold up 3-5 different Schemas and try
to define it in some meaningful way that crosses data definition
boundaries.  Let me know if you succeed.  I never did.

mark->



Mark,

Yeah I know this is an ugly problem.  That's why I was asking if anyone had
solved it.  I did not want to reinvent this wheel if someone had already got
it knocked.  I am going to give this a lot of thought and explore a few
avenues before proceeding.  Thanks for your valued input.

Regards,

Scott
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From bill at celestial.com  Mon Apr 13 13:18:48 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:18:48 -0700
Subject: XML Import
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009, Fairlight wrote:
>
>>From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Scott Walker shouted:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Thanks for your thoughts.  I looked at your xml2cvs and I can see how that
>> would make thinks easier.  Like you said, that still leaves me with hand
>> coding of the fp process to look at the cvs file and walk through the
>> structure and figure out what to do with each line of data.  Big job for one
>> xml source.  Huge job for 20 different xml sources with different schema.
>> Maybe not practical to do.
>
>It's not -too- bad if the information you actually need falls in specific
>areas and you can prune whole areas.  Actually, pruning is kind of a
>convenience, since you can technically just walk the data tree with
>entry/exit hints and ignore the rest.  But it puts less CPU cycles to the
>job of walking the tree later in any event.
>
>See after your notes for a practical, real-world point of interest that may
>shoot this in the foot.
>
...
>
>Okay.  Just that bit as a tiny real-world example of a multi-record
>response set...take this little bit.
>
>Assume you map first_name to a field, last_name to another field.
>Suddenly, you have multiple last names per record.  Or do you?  What are
>you defining as "a record"?  Each instance of Billing?  Each instance of
>Shipping?  Each response?  A permutation of both, with header/detail,
>requiring multi-pass recursion?
>
>And you want to create records automatically, based on multiple formats,
>where "record" could have vastly different meanings?

I make no claims on being an XML expert, using it primarily with
DocBook to write documentation, and using the python xmlrpc
modules to do quite a few useful things between machines.

I have read a fair amount about XML, and it seems to me that much
of the work can be done using xslt and xpath to do the heavy
lifting as thes provide fairly simple methods to transform XML
to different formats, frequently HTML or XHTML without having to
do much, if any, programming per se.

There are a fair number of xslt processors available, xsltproc,
on Red Hat and CentOS systems for one.

XML can be looked upon as an object database, as opposed to a
relational database, thus lending it to modelling real-world
things fairly easily.  The issue becomes one of mapping from that
object world to the tables of a relational database or file
management system such as FilePro.

Bill
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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Mon Apr 13 13:58:21 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:58:21 -0400
Subject: XML Import
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Confusious (Bill Campbell) say:
> I make no claims on being an XML expert, using it primarily with

Me either.  :)

> There are a fair number of xslt processors available, xsltproc,
> on Red Hat and CentOS systems for one.

Sablotron...

> XML can be looked upon as an object database, as opposed to a
> relational database, thus lending it to modelling real-world
> things fairly easily.  The issue becomes one of mapping from that
> object world to the tables of a relational database or file
> management system such as FilePro.

It's the relationships that become an issue.  As an object, we as people
have bodies.  Now if you're looking at "organs", are you looking at the
cardiovascular system, the sensory system, the digestive system...?  All
objects that are a subset of the object "body".  If you look at it from the
relational side, you end up asking, "What defines an organ?" and, "What
defines a related set of organs?"  There isn't an inherent clarity like
there is with looking at it as an object model.

The problem is that relational database linkage and object linkage don't
get along very well without a human brain sitting between the two models.

mark->
-- 
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the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From rtr at rsquared.com  Mon Apr 13 16:41:05 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:41:05 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Believe it or not at 4/13/2009 02:33 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>I followed the example Laura had in her help file.
>>Interpreting the numbers in her example $200,000, 360 months (30 yr 
>>loan), at 7.25%
>>       if: ' What would be the payment for this loan?
>>     then: PMT = TVM_PMT("360",".0725","200000","0") ' PMT will be 
>> -631.40595650
>
>It looks like you found an error in Laura's help files, since 7.25% 
>should be "7.25" (and divided by 12 for monthly interest).  Of 
>course, if you give the same "wrong" numbers to a financial 
>calculator, you get the same "wrong" answer.
>
>>I used:
>>eh=TVM_PMT("12",".139","1000","0")
>>I see my mistake, instead of using a monthly rate (.139/12) I used 
>>the APR of .139 in the calculations.
>>Thanks Ken I never would have seen my error.  I hate when I do 
>>that, spend days on a problem and the solution is right under my 
>>nose and I can't see it.
>
>Just plug the same numbers into filePro as you would your calculator.  :-)
>
>--

I was going to ask you about the discrepancy between what you stated 
and what Laura had in her help file.

Is it possible to get a daily payment amount instead of monthly.  I 
can see the need to calculate a daily rate so when people make 
payments I can calculate the principal and interest for x number of 
days.  I tried substituting 365 in place of 12 but the numbers didn't 
come out right. 


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 13 17:23:35 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:23:35 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
[...]
> Is it possible to get a daily payment amount instead of monthly.  I 
> can see the need to calculate a daily rate so when people make 
> payments I can calculate the principal and interest for x number of 
> days.  I tried substituting 365 in place of 12 but the numbers didn't 
> come out right. 

In what way didn't they "come out right"?  If you make 365 payments in one 
year, then you divide the yearly interest rate by 365 to get the per-period 
interest rate, just as you would divide by 12 for 12 monthly payments.

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From rtr at rsquared.com  Mon Apr 13 22:42:10 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:42:10 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Believe it or not at 4/13/2009 08:23 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>[...]
>>Is it possible to get a daily payment amount instead of monthly.  I 
>>can see the need to calculate a daily rate so when people make 
>>payments I can calculate the principal and interest for x number of 
>>days.  I tried substituting 365 in place of 12 but the numbers 
>>didn't come out right.
>
>In what way didn't they "come out right"?  If you make 365 payments 
>in one year, then you divide the yearly interest rate by 365 to get 
>the per-period interest rate, just as you would divide by 12 for 12 
>monthly payments.
>
>--
>Kenneth Brody

That's what I thought but when I ran it my answer was different by 
.315/month, 89.74 vs. 89.425

pa="12";' it will be the number of months (12, 24, 36, ...) input by 
data entry, but I'll use 12 in this example.

pi=pa*"30.42"="365";' since I have months I have to convert to 1 year

ep(8,.5)=(eo*"100")/"365" = .03808;'  eo is stated as .1390 so I 
multiply by 100 to convert to 13.9 for use in the tvm_pmt command.

ez="1000";' amount of loan

eh = TVM_PMT(pi,ep,ez,"0") = $2.94 daily payment

"2.94" * "365" / "12" = 89.425

2.94 is daily payment, mult. by 365 for annual payment, divide by 12 
for monthly payment = 89.425.  That's a difference of ~ 
$.315/month.  Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't expect that much 
difference between daily vs. monthly calculations, and I would expect 
the daily calculations to be higher than the monthly calculations not lower. 


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 07:11:31 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:11:31 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
> Believe it or not at 4/13/2009 08:23 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
[... 365 daily payments vs 12 monthly payments ...]
> That's what I thought but when I ran it my answer was different by 
> .315/month, 89.74 vs. 89.425
[...]
> eh = TVM_PMT(pi,ep,ez,"0") = $2.94 daily payment
> 
> "2.94" * "365" / "12" = 89.425
> 
> 2.94 is daily payment, mult. by 365 for annual payment, divide by 12 
> for monthly payment = 89.425.  That's a difference of ~ 
> $.315/month.  Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't expect that much 
> difference between daily vs. monthly calculations, and I would expect 
> the daily calculations to be higher than the monthly calculations not lower. 

Why would you expect to pay more if you pay it faster?  (And the difference 
is about 1/3 of 1%.)

Try a different angle, and you'll see this is correct.

You agree that 12 monthly payments on $1,000 at 13.9% was 89.74 each, 
correct?  (That's what filePro and your calculator both came up with.)

That's a total of $1076.88 in payments.  However, if you were to make a 
single yearly payment, you would pay $1139.00, correct?  By paying it in 
more payments over the same time, the total payment is less.

So, making 365 daily payments of $2.94 instead of 12 monthly payments of 
$89.74 means you pay a total of $1073.10, for a whopping $3.78 savings.

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From boaz at mirrotek.com  Tue Apr 14 08:48:31 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:48:31 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
Message-ID: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com>

I have a report that totals up sales and deductions on payments and then 
uses this to generate a commission percentage to apply to the invoice 
amounts generating a commission amount per customer during @wbrk2. I 
then have to total those up to get a total commission amount for each 
sales rep in @wbrk3. (@wbrk1 is on a sub-level for individual customer 
checks.)

I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero for each new 
sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission amount to cl. 
When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer 
sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the 
amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.

(During the data lines cl shows up as '/d0')

In @wbrk2 I have
? If:
Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, if 
so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""

What am I missing?

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 09:25:22 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:25:22 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
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Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
[...]
> I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero for each new 
> sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission amount to cl. 
> When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer 
> sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the 
> amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.

Can you give us an actual example?

[...]
> In @wbrk2 I have
> ? If:
> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, if 
> so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
> 
> What am I missing?

You have an error on line 42.

     http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+"error+on+line+42"

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From boaz at mirrotek.com  Tue Apr 14 09:44:58 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:44:58 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
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Kenneth Brody wrote:
> Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
> [...]
>> I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero for each 
>> new sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission amount 
>> to cl. When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer 
>> sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the 
>> amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.
>
> Can you give us an actual example?
>
> [...]
>> In @wbrk2 I have
>> ? If:
>> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
>> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, 
>> if so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
>>
>> What am I missing?
>
> You have an error on line 42.
>
>     http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+"error+on+line+42"
>
When going through the data before hitting any of the breaks cl="".  
Once the first break point is hit it should equal '0' until given the 
value of ch which in my sample data is "62.32".  But it only shows this 
when in the @wbrk routine.  Once it starts going through the data lines 
again cl shows up as '/d0'.  When it gets to @wbrk2 again it shows as 
"62.32" until a new ch gets added, in this case a value of '248.73' and 
'cl' then correctly shows a value of '311.05'.  At that point it hits 
@wbrk3 and the value shows '396.49' for no particular reason that I can 
find.  There is no '396.49' anywhere in the data set I'm working with.

I did find that I could get 'cl' to hold the right data if I put it in 
AUTO processing.  But I'm trying to find out what FP is doing otherwise.

From rtr at rsquared.com  Tue Apr 14 09:50:37 2009
From: rtr at rsquared.com (Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants))
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:50:37 -0400
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Believe it or not at 4/14/2009 10:11 AM, Kenneth Brody said:
>Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
>>Believe it or not at 4/13/2009 08:23 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
>[... 365 daily payments vs 12 monthly payments ...]
>>That's what I thought but when I ran it my answer was different by 
>>.315/month, 89.74 vs. 89.425
>[...]
>>eh = TVM_PMT(pi,ep,ez,"0") = $2.94 daily payment
>>"2.94" * "365" / "12" = 89.425
>>2.94 is daily payment, mult. by 365 for annual payment, divide by 
>>12 for monthly payment = 89.425.  That's a difference of ~ 
>>$.315/month.  Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't expect that much 
>>difference between daily vs. monthly calculations, and I would 
>>expect the daily calculations to be higher than the monthly 
>>calculations not lower.
>
>Why would you expect to pay more if you pay it faster?  (And the 
>difference is about 1/3 of 1%.)
>
>Try a different angle, and you'll see this is correct.
>
>You agree that 12 monthly payments on $1,000 at 13.9% was 89.74 
>each, correct?  (That's what filePro and your calculator both came up with.)
>
>That's a total of $1076.88 in payments.  However, if you were to 
>make a single yearly payment, you would pay $1139.00, correct?  By 
>paying it in more payments over the same time, the total payment is less.
>
>So, making 365 daily payments of $2.94 instead of 12 monthly 
>payments of $89.74 means you pay a total of $1073.10, for a whopping 
>$3.78 savings.
>
>--
>Kenneth Brody

First let me say thank you for working with me on this Ken, I really 
do appreciate it and I hope I don't sound argumentative because I am not.

The difference might be small but I didn't expect that much of a 
difference and the difference to be the opposite of what I 
expected.  I could be wrong but my concern is using this in 
production and I found out the hard way my calculations are wrong.

Lending institutions calculate compound interest on a daily basis 
instead of monthly basis for one reason they make more money on interest.

If I compound on a daily basis the interest is compounded 30 times by 
the end of the month instead of once if it compounded monthly.

If I pay the 1000.00 loan off on day 1 I pay 1002.94.  If I don't 
make a payment on day 1 but pay if off on day 2 I pay 1005.88.  The 
longer I wait to pay the more I pay in interest which makes my 
payments higher.  If I pay monthly the I will pay more if the 
calculation are done on a daily basis vs monthly basis.  If I quote a 
monthly payment I expect the payments to be higher if I compound 
daily vs monthly.



From boaz at mirrotek.com  Tue Apr 14 11:59:57 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:59:57 -0400
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Steve Wiltsie wrote:
> Boaz,
>
> In the Automatic table, does is cl set as (12,,2,g) or (12,2,g)?
>
> Steve Wiltsie
> microCONCEPTS
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Boaz Bezborodko
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>
>
>
> Kenneth Brody wrote:
>   
>> Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
>> [...]
>>     
>>> I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero for each 
>>> new sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission amount
>>>       
>
>   
>>> to cl. When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer
>>>       
>
>   
>>> sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the
>>>       
>
>   
>>> amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.
>>>       
>> Can you give us an actual example?
>>
>> [...]
>>     
>>> In @wbrk2 I have
>>> ? If:
>>> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
>>> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, 
>>> if so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>>       
>> You have an error on line 42.
>>
>>     http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+"error+on+line+42"
>>
>>     
> When going through the data before hitting any of the breaks cl="".  
> Once the first break point is hit it should equal '0' until given the 
> value of ch which in my sample data is "62.32".  But it only shows this 
> when in the @wbrk routine.  Once it starts going through the data lines 
> again cl shows up as '/d0'.  When it gets to @wbrk2 again it shows as 
> "62.32" until a new ch gets added, in this case a value of '248.73' and 
> 'cl' then correctly shows a value of '311.05'.  At that point it hits 
> @wbrk3 and the value shows '396.49' for no particular reason that I can 
> find.  There is no '396.49' anywhere in the data set I'm working with.
>
> I did find that I could get 'cl' to hold the right data if I put it in 
> AUTO processing.  But I'm trying to find out what FP is doing otherwise.
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>   
It was (12,,2,g).  When I put cl(12,,2,g) into the Automatic table it 
worked.  When it wasn't there I had the problems listed.
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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 12:03:18 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:03:18 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
[...]
> First let me say thank you for working with me on this Ken, I really 
> do appreciate it and I hope I don't sound argumentative because I am not.
> 
> The difference might be small but I didn't expect that much of a 
> difference and the difference to be the opposite of what I 
> expected.  I could be wrong but my concern is using this in 
> production and I found out the hard way my calculations are wrong.
> 
> Lending institutions calculate compound interest on a daily basis 
> instead of monthly basis for one reason they make more money on interest.

Ah.  You're not talking about making daily payments, but rather compounding 
interest on a daily basis, but still making monthly payments.  That's a 
different thing entirely.

> If I compound on a daily basis the interest is compounded 30 times by 
> the end of the month instead of once if it compounded monthly.
> 
> If I pay the 1000.00 loan off on day 1 I pay 1002.94.  If I don't 
> make a payment on day 1 but pay if off on day 2 I pay 1005.88.  The 
> longer I wait to pay the more I pay in interest which makes my 
> payments higher.  If I pay monthly the I will pay more if the 
> calculation are done on a daily basis vs monthly basis.  If I quote a 
> monthly payment I expect the payments to be higher if I compound 
> daily vs monthly.

What you need to do is not calculate payments, but calculate future value 
based on zero payments.

If I recall, they use a 360-day calendar, assuming 30 days per calendar 
month.  These examples use that assumption.  Change them as needed if I am 
wrong here.

You need to take the APR and divide by 360 for the daily interest rate. 
Then, you need to calculate the future value with the TVM_FV() function, as in:

   AmountDueAfterXDays = TVM_FV(NumberOfDays,APR/"360",PresentValue,"0")

For example, with the 13.9% used before:

   due = tvm_fv(numdays,"13.9"/"360","1000","0")

This shows how much is owed after "numdays" days, assuming no payments were 
made.  Note that the payoff amount after 1 day is not $1002.94 as you use in 
the example above.  The $2.94 "daily payment" amount includes paying down 
the principal, in addition to accrued interest.  The amount of actual 
interest after 1 day is 39 cents.  If you go 30 days (one "credit card" 
month), the balance would be $1011.65, which gives an annualized rate of 
13.98% on the 13.9% APR.  If you were to not pay for the entire year (and 
they didn't charge penalties for the same of this calculation), then the 
amount owed would be $1149.09, which amounts to a 14.909% rate.

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From john at valar.com  Tue Apr 14 12:05:34 2009
From: john at valar.com (John Esak)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:05:34 -0400
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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Yeah, and imagine if you had a million $3.78's, boy then I'd want a bigger
calculator.

Like the current Obama jokes.... a trillion here, a trillion there and
pretty soon we're talking *real* money.

Now, this is funny on so many levels I can't stop laughing (or crying) long
enough to explain it to anyone who doesn't get it right away.

Kind of like the old saw "There are only 10 types of people, those who know
binary, and those who don't."  :-)

Money is only *real* when it is yours... so whether some nebulous printing
house is churning it out by the sheet, it shouldn't bother anybody.

Okay wait, the laughing or crying thing... I've made up my mind... it's
definitely crying... :-(    :-)

John



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.co
> m] On Behalf Of Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: Calculate payments based on APR
>
> Believe it or not at 4/14/2009 10:11 AM, Kenneth Brody said:
> >Robert T. Repko (R Squared Consultants) wrote:
> >>Believe it or not at 4/13/2009 08:23 PM, Kenneth Brody said:
> >[... 365 daily payments vs 12 monthly payments ...]
> >>That's what I thought but when I ran it my answer was different by
> >>.315/month, 89.74 vs. 89.425
> >[...]
> >>eh = TVM_PMT(pi,ep,ez,"0") = $2.94 daily payment
> >>"2.94" * "365" / "12" = 89.425
> >>2.94 is daily payment, mult. by 365 for annual payment, divide by
> >>12 for monthly payment = 89.425.  That's a difference of ~
> >>$.315/month.  Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't expect that much
> >>difference between daily vs. monthly calculations, and I would
> >>expect the daily calculations to be higher than the monthly
> >>calculations not lower.
> >
> >Why would you expect to pay more if you pay it faster?  (And the
> >difference is about 1/3 of 1%.)
> >
> >Try a different angle, and you'll see this is correct.
> >
> >You agree that 12 monthly payments on $1,000 at 13.9% was 89.74
> >each, correct?  (That's what filePro and your calculator
> both came up with.)
> >
> >That's a total of $1076.88 in payments.  However, if you were to
> >make a single yearly payment, you would pay $1139.00, correct?  By
> >paying it in more payments over the same time, the total
> payment is less.
> >
> >So, making 365 daily payments of $2.94 instead of 12 monthly
> >payments of $89.74 means you pay a total of $1073.10, for a whopping
> >$3.78 savings.
> >
> >--
> >Kenneth Brody
>
> First let me say thank you for working with me on this Ken, I really
> do appreciate it and I hope I don't sound argumentative
> because I am not.
>
> The difference might be small but I didn't expect that much of a
> difference and the difference to be the opposite of what I
> expected.  I could be wrong but my concern is using this in
> production and I found out the hard way my calculations are wrong.
>
> Lending institutions calculate compound interest on a daily basis
> instead of monthly basis for one reason they make more money
> on interest.
>
> If I compound on a daily basis the interest is compounded 30 times by
> the end of the month instead of once if it compounded monthly.
>
> If I pay the 1000.00 loan off on day 1 I pay 1002.94.  If I don't
> make a payment on day 1 but pay if off on day 2 I pay 1005.88.  The
> longer I wait to pay the more I pay in interest which makes my
> payments higher.  If I pay monthly the I will pay more if the
> calculation are done on a daily basis vs monthly basis.  If I quote a
> monthly payment I expect the payments to be higher if I compound
> daily vs monthly.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 11:17:23 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:17:23 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
In-Reply-To: <49E4BD8A.9080605@mirrotek.com>
References: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com> <49E4B8F2.3010400@spamcop.net>
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Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
[...]
>>> In @wbrk2 I have
>>> ? If:
>>> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
>>> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, 
>>> if so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
[...]
> When going through the data before hitting any of the breaks cl="".  
> Once the first break point is hit it should equal '0' until given the 
> value of ch which in my sample data is "62.32".  But it only shows this 
> when in the @wbrk routine.  Once it starts going through the data lines 
> again cl shows up as '/d0'.  When it gets to @wbrk2 again it shows as 
> "62.32" until a new ch gets added, in this case a value of '248.73' and 
> 'cl' then correctly shows a value of '311.05'.  At that point it hits 
> @wbrk3 and the value shows '396.49' for no particular reason that I can 
> find.  There is no '396.49' anywhere in the data set I'm working with.

The value of CL is based on CH, which is based on CG and CA, which are based 
on ???...

Without actual examples of all the data involved, we can only guess.  And my 
guess is that you are not doing what you think you are doing with regard to 
dummy fields and multiple break levels.

> I did find that I could get 'cl' to hold the right data if I put it in 
> AUTO processing.  But I'm trying to find out what FP is doing otherwise.

And that further points to my comment above about dummy fields and multiple 
break levels.  You may want to check out "Output Processing: subtotals, 
dummy fields, aliases and arrays", published in SmallTalk 9.3 (summer '92).

http://www.hvcomputer.com/download/output.txt

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From john at valar.com  Tue Apr 14 12:20:40 2009
From: john at valar.com (John Esak)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:20:40 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
In-Reply-To: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com>
References: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com>
Message-ID: <CD4A07263A8848998102037AD67F27F0@CENTURY.21appr.com>

What you are missing is that you must first track down why you are getting
the divide-by-zero error.

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.co
> m] On Behalf Of Boaz Bezborodko
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:49 AM
> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
>
> I have a report that totals up sales and deductions on
> payments and then
> uses this to generate a commission percentage to apply to the invoice
> amounts generating a commission amount per customer during @wbrk2. I
> then have to total those up to get a total commission amount for each
> sales rep in @wbrk3. (@wbrk1 is on a sub-level for individual
> customer
> checks.)
>
> I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero
> for each new
> sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission
> amount to cl.
> When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer
> sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the
> amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.
>
> (During the data lines cl shows up as '/d0')
>
> In @wbrk2 I have
> ? If:
> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales
> rep and, if
> so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
>
> What am I missing?
> _______________________________________________
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>



From boaz at mirrotek.com  Tue Apr 14 12:27:26 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:27:26 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
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Kenneth Brody wrote:
> Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
> [...]
>>>> In @wbrk2 I have
>>>> ? If:
>>>> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
>>>> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and, 
>>>> if so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
> [...]
>> When going through the data before hitting any of the breaks cl="".  
>> Once the first break point is hit it should equal '0' until given the 
>> value of ch which in my sample data is "62.32".  But it only shows 
>> this when in the @wbrk routine.  Once it starts going through the 
>> data lines again cl shows up as '/d0'.  When it gets to @wbrk2 again 
>> it shows as "62.32" until a new ch gets added, in this case a value 
>> of '248.73' and 'cl' then correctly shows a value of '311.05'.  At 
>> that point it hits @wbrk3 and the value shows '396.49' for no 
>> particular reason that I can find.  There is no '396.49' anywhere in 
>> the data set I'm working with.
>
> The value of CL is based on CH, which is based on CG and CA, which are 
> based on ???...
>
> Without actual examples of all the data involved, we can only guess.  
> And my guess is that you are not doing what you think you are doing 
> with regard to dummy fields and multiple break levels.
>
>> I did find that I could get 'cl' to hold the right data if I put it 
>> in AUTO processing.  But I'm trying to find out what FP is doing 
>> otherwise.
>
> And that further points to my comment above about dummy fields and 
> multiple break levels.  You may want to check out "Output Processing: 
> subtotals, dummy fields, aliases and arrays", published in SmallTalk 
> 9.3 (summer '92).
>
> http://www.hvcomputer.com/download/output.txt
>
CG and CA are values that come from the TOT command.  I thought that by 
putting the resulting data in a global (,g) variable in the break point 
I was freezing it in place.  But apparently that only happens if the 
variable is also in the Auto processing table.

I know that TOT can get confusing when working in the break levels which 
was why I wanted to pull this out separately.



From bill at celestial.com  Tue Apr 14 12:43:19 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:43:19 -0700
Subject: Calculate payments based on APR
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009, John Esak wrote:
>Yeah, and imagine if you had a million $3.78's, boy then I'd want a bigger
>calculator.
>
>Like the current Obama jokes.... a trillion here, a trillion there and
>pretty soon we're talking *real* money.

There hasn't been Real Money(tm) in use much since 1913 when the
Fed was given a license to conterfeit, and the final nail was put
it the world economy's coffin in 1971(?) when Nixon dropped any
tie of the U.S. Dollar to gold.

Thomas Paine, author of ``Common Sense'' called for the death
penalty to anybody advocating paper money and legal tender laws.

>Now, this is funny on so many levels I can't stop laughing (or crying) long
>enough to explain it to anyone who doesn't get it right away.
>
>Kind of like the old saw "There are only 10 types of people, those who know
>binary, and those who don't."  :-)
>
>Money is only *real* when it is yours... so whether some nebulous printing
>house is churning it out by the sheet, it shouldn't bother anybody.

The printing press dilutes the value of whatever currency is
being printed, eventually to zero.  There has never been a fiat
paper money in history that did not eventually become worthless.

Paper is worth about $80/ton no matter how many zeros one prints
on it.

As for the NPV and interest calculations, I probably still have
my HP-97 program books which have the formulae for calculating
these.  At one point I could program them into my HP-25 without
thinking about them, only slightly slower than finding the
magnetic card for the HP-97 and loading them.

Bill
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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 16:59:50 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:59:50 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <20090413135721.A2052@iglou.com>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
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Fairlight wrote:
[...]
> Consider a very simple multi-record response.
[... mega-snip ...]
> Just remember:  "What is a record?"  Hold up 3-5 different Schemas and try
> to define it in some meaningful way that crosses data definition
> boundaries.  Let me know if you succeed.  I never did.

For anyone wondering "why is fPTech working on an XML export before an 
import", you should re-read Mark's post.

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 17:11:34 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:11:34 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
In-Reply-To: <49E4E39E.3060005@mirrotek.com>
References: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com> <49E4B8F2.3010400@spamcop.net>
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Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
[...]
> CG and CA are values that come from the TOT command.

Which only partially answers my question about how they are calculated. 
What are they the TOT() of?  (I cringe at the syntax of that sentence. 
Please don't take me to task over it.)

 > I thought that by
> putting the resulting data in a global (,g) variable in the break point 
> I was freezing it in place.  But apparently that only happens if the 
> variable is also in the Auto processing table.

Putting the ",g" attribute means that they won't be cleared between records, 
and this holds regardless of where they are declared.

The difference here is that a dummy field declared in automatic processing 
won't have multiple break-level copies, whereas one declared in output 
processing will.  The SmallTalk article I mentioned eariler goes into this 
in much greater detail.

     http://www.hvcomputer.com/download/output.txt

So, CL, CH, CG, and CA all have multiple copies for the multiple break 
levels.  (Until, that is, you moved CL into automatic processing, at which 
point it lost that property.)  Because CG and CA have multiple break-level 
copies, they hold the TOT() for that break level.  The @WBRK2 copies can 
have different values than the @WBRK3 copies, which would, in turn, cause 
different values for CH, which in turn cause different values for CL.

That is why a simple "CG and CA are values that come from the TOT command" 
answer doesn't suffice here.

> I know that TOT can get confusing when working in the break levels which 
> was why I wanted to pull this out separately.

Read the above article and see if you are still confused.

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 14 16:49:47 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:49:47 -0400
Subject: XML Import
In-Reply-To: <002c01c9bc4f$45fbadd0$d1f30970$@com>
References: <000b01c9bb12$265bb6c0$73132440$@com>
	<200904120403.n3C43GfK029050@admin114.securesites.net>
	<002c01c9bc4f$45fbadd0$d1f30970$@com>
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Scott Walker wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the input.  I need to get on something with this.  I was hoping
> someone had developed a generic "black box" where you could plug in the xml
> schema info and your fp file map info and have it do a lot of the heavy
> lifting.  With the fact that every xml file from a different source will
> have a different schema the only constant is my applications layout.
> Perhaps each xml source will have to be programmed by hand.  I will have to
> do some real thinking on this.  There has to be a better way than that.
[...]

I don't think there can be a "generic black box" when it comes to XML, 
unless you can impose some sort of standardization on the files you are 
going to import.  The fact that the field you are looking for may be a 
"<bar>" node within a "<foo>" node when coming from company A, and a 
"<grok>" node within a "<snarf>" from company B means that someone, 
somewhere, needs to tell filePro where things are at least once.

Perhaps you could write a single import within filePro, and use XSLT to 
massage whatever varied formats you get from the different sources into a 
"standard" XML format?

-- 
Kenneth Brody


From bill at celestial.com  Tue Apr 14 19:34:44 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:34:44 -0700
Subject: XML Import
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009, Kenneth Brody wrote:
>Scott Walker wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the input.  I need to get on something with this.  I was hoping
>> someone had developed a generic "black box" where you could plug in the xml
>> schema info and your fp file map info and have it do a lot of the heavy
>> lifting.  With the fact that every xml file from a different source will
>> have a different schema the only constant is my applications layout.
>> Perhaps each xml source will have to be programmed by hand.  I will have to
>> do some real thinking on this.  There has to be a better way than that.
>[...]
>
>I don't think there can be a "generic black box" when it comes to XML, 
>unless you can impose some sort of standardization on the files you are 
>going to import.  The fact that the field you are looking for may be a 
>"<bar>" node within a "<foo>" node when coming from company A, and a 
>"<grok>" node within a "<snarf>" from company B means that someone, 
>somewhere, needs to tell filePro where things are at least once.

Standardization of things like this is why XML supports schemas,
DTDs, and validation against these.  There are standards for many
(most) types of XML documents used in business as these are
necessary for many of the B2B transactions now using XML for
electronic data exchange.

Don't ask me for details as this is not an area in which I have
any significant expertise, only one that I have read about in
passing while doing other things.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com  Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC
URL: http://www.celestial.com/  PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way
Voice:          (206) 236-1676  Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820
Fax:            (206) 232-9186  Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792

    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,
 for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

From gccconsulting at comcast.net  Wed Apr 15 07:28:42 2009
From: gccconsulting at comcast.net (GCC Consulting)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:28:42 -0400
Subject: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
In-Reply-To: <49E4BD8A.9080605@mirrotek.com>
References: <49E4B04F.6090508@mirrotek.com> <49E4B8F2.3010400@spamcop.net>
	<49E4BD8A.9080605@mirrotek.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c9bdd6$7a2f48e0$6e8ddaa0$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
>
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On
> Behalf Of Boaz Bezborodko
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:45 PM
> To: Kenneth Brody
> Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: Problem with sub-total breaks on a report
> 
> 
> 
> Kenneth Brody wrote:
> > Boaz Bezborodko wrote:
> > [...]
> >> I use a global variable 'cl(12,,2,g)' that gets set to zero for each
> >> new sales rep. In the customer sub-totals I add the commission amount
> >> to cl. When I step through the debugger cl is correct on the customer
> >> sub-total, but when I look at it on the sales rep sub-total break the
> >> amount is not the same and I can't figure out where it came from.
> >
> > Can you give us an actual example?
> >
> > [...]
> >> In @wbrk2 I have
> >> ? If:
> >> Then: ch(10,,2)=cg*ca/"100" ; cl=cl+ch
> >> The very first line of code checks if it is on a new sales rep and,
> >> if so, sets cl(12,,2,g)=""
> >>
> >> What am I missing?
> >
> > You have an error on line 42.
> >
> >     http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+"error+on+line+42"
> >
> When going through the data before hitting any of the breaks cl="".
> Once the first break point is hit it should equal '0' until given the
> value of ch which in my sample data is "62.32".  But it only shows this
> when in the @wbrk routine.  Once it starts going through the data lines
> again cl shows up as '/d0'.  When it gets to @wbrk2 again it shows as
> "62.32" until a new ch gets added, in this case a value of '248.73' and
> 'cl' then correctly shows a value of '311.05'.  At that point it hits
> @wbrk3 and the value shows '396.49' for no particular reason that I can
> find.  There is no '396.49' anywhere in the data set I'm working with.
> 
> I did find that I could get 'cl' to hold the right data if I put it in
> AUTO processing.  But I'm trying to find out what FP is doing otherwise.

My usual solution to handling this type of calculation is to use an array to
hold the totals which total for each detail line.  Since some of my
application can have up to 6 commission splits on any one detail line and
each of these are a percentage of the whole commission due,  I have found
this the easiest way to handle.

You can use each element of the array to hold the value needed at each break
point.  Just remember to clear that element, if necessary.

Also, since you seem to be getting a divide zero error, I would test ca gt
"0" before doing this calculation,


Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
? 




From garyolman1 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Apr 17 05:54:06 2009
From: garyolman1 at hvc.rr.com (Gary Olman)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:54:06 -0400
Subject: Printers on USB port
Message-ID: <005301c9bf5b$986f7420$c94e5c60$@rr.com>

I cannot seem to get my HP4100 printer to work. I have it connected to a USB
port on my Laptop, XP Filepro 5.1. That is I cannot get it print while in
filepro. Can some one help?
Thanks
Gary


From gccconsulting at comcast.net  Fri Apr 17 07:10:42 2009
From: gccconsulting at comcast.net (GCC Consulting)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:10:42 -0400
Subject: Printers on USB port
In-Reply-To: <005301c9bf5b$986f7420$c94e5c60$@rr.com>
References: <005301c9bf5b$986f7420$c94e5c60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c9bf66$4b648ca0$e22da5e0$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
>
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On
> Behalf Of Gary Olman
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Printers on USB port
> 
> I cannot seem to get my HP4100 printer to work. I have it connected to a
USB
> port on my Laptop, XP Filepro 5.1. That is I cannot get it print while in
> filepro. Can some one help?
> Thanks
> Gary

How do you have the fp destination set?

It should be the name windows has assigned to it under printer and faxes.

Assume that the name assigned is HP4100 pcl5e, the in print destination you
would put

Win: HP4100 pcl5e


Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
? 





From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 17 08:38:00 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:38:00 -0400
Subject: Printers on USB port
In-Reply-To: <005301c9bf5b$986f7420$c94e5c60$@rr.com>
References: <005301c9bf5b$986f7420$c94e5c60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49E8A258.1050608@spamcop.net>

Gary Olman wrote:
> I cannot seem to get my HP4100 printer to work. I have it connected to a USB
> port on my Laptop, XP Filepro 5.1. That is I cannot get it print while in
> filepro. Can some one help?

Is this a LaserJet 4100, or OfficeJet 4100?

If it's the LaserJet 4100, then simply set the destination to 
"win:printername", where "printername" is the name as known to Windows, and 
set the type to one of the many PCL-5 printer types.  If you have filePro 
version 5.6.02 or later, you can use F6 within the "destination" field in 
pmaint to select from a list of installed printers.

If it's the OfficeJet 4100, which is a "host-based" printer, then you need 
to go through a third-party print utility, such as the Atlantis program 
supplied with filePro.  Check the "FP2RTF" information.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From garyolman1 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Apr 17 09:18:30 2009
From: garyolman1 at hvc.rr.com (Gary Olman)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:18:30 -0400
Subject: Printer on USB port
Message-ID: <002701c9bf78$28a67c70$79f37550$@rr.com>

Thanks to all. I have enough info to fix this.
Gary


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 17 09:25:39 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:25:39 -0400
Subject: Printer on USB port
In-Reply-To: <002701c9bf78$28a67c70$79f37550$@rr.com>
References: <002701c9bf78$28a67c70$79f37550$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49E8AD83.9060402@spamcop.net>

Gary Olman wrote:
> Thanks to all. I have enough info to fix this.

Was it the LJ4100 or OJ4100, and which solution did you use?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 17 09:49:57 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0400
Subject: Printer on USB port
In-Reply-To: <003401c9bf7b$17020220$45060660$@rr.com>
References: <002701c9bf78$28a67c70$79f37550$@rr.com>
	<49E8AD83.9060402@spamcop.net> <003401c9bf7b$17020220$45060660$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49E8B335.3040201@spamcop.net>

Gary Olman wrote:
> I have a C4100 which is a windows only printer. I will look at fp2rtf, but
> probably end up with print wizard
[...]

 From that, I take it yoi mean that it was neither the LaserJet 4100 nor the 
OfficeJet 4100, but the Photosmart C4100?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From lgf at lgfcomputers.net  Tue Apr 21 07:30:27 2009
From: lgf at lgfcomputers.net (Ed Hilovsky)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:30:27 -0400
Subject: pfouts
Message-ID: <49EDD883.6000608@lgfcomputers.net>

Does anyone have any experience with pfouts and a "virtual" COM port 
created when using an Ethernet to Serial converter.
All of this is under Centos Linux, release 3.6, using filepro 5.0.14R4

Thanks,

-- 

Ed Hilovsky
LGF Computers

Office:  (724) 463-7633
         (800) 653-8479
Fax:     (866) 448-5415
Mobile:  (412) 289-1773

lgf at lgfcomputers.net




From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 21 07:48:59 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:48:59 -0400
Subject: pfouts
In-Reply-To: <49EDD883.6000608@lgfcomputers.net>
References: <49EDD883.6000608@lgfcomputers.net>
Message-ID: <49EDDCDB.1090007@spamcop.net>

Ed Hilovsky wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with pfouts and a "virtual" COM port 
> created when using an Ethernet to Serial converter.
> All of this is under Centos Linux, release 3.6, using filepro 5.0.14R4

As long as it can be accessed with "/dev/something" and acts like a tty port 
  with regard to ioctl() calls, it should work just fine.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From rkreiss at verizon.net  Tue Apr 21 14:28:22 2009
From: rkreiss at verizon.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:28:22 -0400
Subject: report printing
Message-ID: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>

Win XP Pro
filePro 5.6.06 Runtime

Have an odd issue with printing.

This is for my community database.

All of the reports print without a problem here in my office.

I went to print 2 reports(forms) in the clubhouse office.  The new emergency
number form printed without a problem.  An older resident questionnaire form
would not print.  The output was generated, the print light on the printer
flashed but nothing printed.

I tested a few other reports and they all printed.

I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.

Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?

Richard



From ras at anzio.com  Tue Apr 21 15:14:03 2009
From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: report printing
In-Reply-To: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
References: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904211513330.6745@nimbus.anzio.com>

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Richard Kreiss wrote:

>  ... 
> I tested a few other reports and they all printed.
> 
> I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.
> 
> Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?

It had PCL in it?

Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.

personal e-mail: ras at anzio.com
 company e-mail: rsi at anzio.com
          voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time)
            fax: (US) 503-624-0760
            web: http://www.anzio.com
 street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc.
                 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9
                 Portland, OR  97223  USA

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 21 15:50:39 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:50:39 -0400
Subject: report printing
In-Reply-To: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
References: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
Message-ID: <49EE4DBF.4050308@spamcop.net>

Richard Kreiss wrote:
> Win XP Pro
> filePro 5.6.06 Runtime
> 
> Have an odd issue with printing.
> 
> This is for my community database.
> 
> All of the reports print without a problem here in my office.

What type of printer do you have in your office?

> I went to print 2 reports(forms) in the clubhouse office.  The new emergency

Are they reports or forms?

> number form printed without a problem.  An older resident questionnaire form
> would not print.  The output was generated, the print light on the printer
> flashed but nothing printed.

What type of printer do they have at the clubhouse?

> I tested a few other reports and they all printed.
> 
> I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.

Given that there are literally hundreds (if not more) makes and models of 
"laser printers", we need a bit more information.

> Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?

What's different about the forms that printed and the one that didn't? 
Height, width, printer type, init code, end code, etc. etc. etc.???

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From jlasman at telus.net  Tue Apr 21 16:22:26 2009
From: jlasman at telus.net (Jim Asman)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:22:26 -0700
Subject: report printing
Message-ID: <ID-00002F1B-49EE5532-0000-0002@telus.net>



--------------- Original Message ---------------
At 05:28P Tue Apr 21 2009, Richard Kreiss wrote:

> 
> Win XP Pro
> filePro 5.6.06 Runtime
> 
> Have an odd issue with printing.
> 
> This is for my community database.
> 
> All of the reports print without a problem here in my office.
> 
> I went to print 2 reports(forms) in the clubhouse office.  The new emergency
> number form printed without a problem.  An older resident questionnaire form
> would not print.  The output was generated, the print light on the printer
> flashed but nothing printed.
> 
> I tested a few other reports and they all printed.
> 
> I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.
> 
> Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?
>

Try putting a printcode    $1b &k2G   on the top line of the
output format.


Jim 
--
jlasman at telus.net                      Spectra Colour Services Ltd.
Jim Asman                              10221 144a Street            
Phone: (604)584-0977                   Surrey, BC  V3R 3P7   CANADA            
 Cell: (604)619-0977                   www.spectracolorservices.com


From ras at anzio.com  Wed Apr 22 09:04:48 2009
From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: report printing
In-Reply-To: <005a01c9c351$6eb8c560$4c2a5020$@net>
References: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904211513330.6745@nimbus.anzio.com>
	<005a01c9c351$6eb8c560$4c2a5020$@net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904220902560.12011@nimbus.anzio.com>

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Richard Kreiss wrote:

> 
> The report uses Jim Asman's HP LaserJet 6P print table.
> 
> I did run 2 small selection sets through Printwizard to pdf before printing
> but this was so I could check the records selected prior to printing.

I don't recall you telling us what kind of printer it was. Probably it's a 
printer that can't accept PCL. If that's the case, and you have Print 
Wizard, use Print Wizard to print the report - it isn't just for PDF 
generation, you know.

Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.

personal e-mail: ras at anzio.com
 company e-mail: rsi at anzio.com
          voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time)
            fax: (US) 503-624-0760
            web: http://www.anzio.com
 street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc.
                 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9
                 Portland, OR  97223  USA

From john.esak at 21appr.com  Wed Apr 22 07:47:27 2009
From: john.esak at 21appr.com (John Esak)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:47:27 -0400
Subject: tip about a problem you can run into with readline() - and a
	workaround
Message-ID: <93AF9BB0D94F49F6A96F4F7C47951736@CENTURY.21appr.com>

Hi,

We just had two instances where readline() didn't work properly. Ken says he
has seen this behavior on some systems only, and I know for a fact that it
doesn't happen on most of the systems on which I work. The problem occurred
today on a 2008 server running 5.6.6.

There are a couple variations of the symptom.  Either you get the dreaded
Windows Exception Error, or you simply get a failed readline() of a
correctly opened file. In other words you open a file, get a good handle and
the first readline() you try fails.... either nicely or badly. :-)

Here is the code and the workaround.

then: declare h_o(8,.0), h_rl(5,.0)
then: h_o=open("\temp\dir\filename",line)

The file you open can be in a variable instead of a literal, same problem.
To avoid the problem all you have to do is *specify* the number of
characters to fill into your destination variable, in this case the declared
variable line. Like this:

then readline(h_o,line,"2048")

The docs say this parameter is optional, but to be sure to avoid this
problem, always fill it.

Make the value large like "2048".  It just has to be larger then the number
of characters you might ever expect to see on any line including the newline
at the end.  If you specify a number too small, like say "80"... and there
are 126 characters along one of the lines in the file, you would fill the
variable with 80 characters and your pointer would be waiting there at
position 81 for the next thing to do.  This is usually not what you want
with the readline() command, you usually want the entire line up to the
newline... leaving the file pointer at the beginning of the next line to do
it all again should you want the next row of characters.

So anyway, that's it. Caused a lot of hassle not knowing why we were blowing
up.  I've sent this to ken and support, so hopefully, a more succinct
warning will be put into the docs.

I, myself, have always put a large number as the 3rd parameter in
readline()... was just lazy this time because I knew all the lines would be
fairly short. I've always put a "2048" to avoid the scenario described in
the above paragraph. So if you see the "2048" in all of my accounting and
even the training chapter on readline() in the Survivor Tutuorials, you'll
know why it's there now.

However, now that we know you can actually experience a breakdown if you
don't have such a large number, why invite trouble.  Rmember, you might not
be seeing anything wrong on your own development system.  But what if your
program gets used elsewhere like happened to me last night and today  where
it does blow up.

I don't think it is O/S related.  In other words it may not have been the
fact that it happened on a 2008 Server system this time... it may be
something in the environment, the version of the kernel, what other stuff is
running at the time, who knows?  So, be safe, use this tip.

Take care,

John Esak


John Esak
21st Century Appraisals, Inc
1801 Oberlin Rd, Middletown, PA 17057
717-985-0200 x 1141
john.esak at 21appr.com



From rkreiss at verizon.net  Wed Apr 22 06:47:55 2009
From: rkreiss at verizon.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:47:55 -0400
Subject: report printing
In-Reply-To: <49EE4DBF.4050308@spamcop.net>
References: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
	<49EE4DBF.4050308@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <005201c9c350$f0fbe5d0$d2f3b170$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Brody [mailto:kenbrody at spamcop.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: Richard Kreiss
> Cc: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: report printing
> 
> Richard Kreiss wrote:
> > Win XP Pro
> > filePro 5.6.06 Runtime
> >
> > Have an odd issue with printing.
> >
> > This is for my community database.
> >
> > All of the reports print without a problem here in my office.
> 
> What type of printer do you have in your office?
> 
> > I went to print 2 reports(forms) in the clubhouse office.  The new
emergency
> 
> Are they reports or forms?
> 
> > number form printed without a problem.  An older resident questionnaire
form
> > would not print.  The output was generated, the print light on the
printer
> > flashed but nothing printed.
> 
> What type of printer do they have at the clubhouse?
> 
> > I tested a few other reports and they all printed.
> >
> > I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.
> 
> Given that there are literally hundreds (if not more) makes and models of
> "laser printers", we need a bit more information.
> 
> > Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?
> 
> What's different about the forms that printed and the one that didn't?
> Height, width, printer type, init code, end code, etc. etc. etc.???
> 
> --
> Kenneth Brody

I will have to check the model of the laser printer in our clubhouse.  It is
one of HP's multifunction machines.

Both start with a reset.  Need to amend my original post one is a form the
other is a report.  It is the report which will not print.

The only difference was the initial fonts used.  I changed the font on the
questionnaire(report) to match the emergency form and it still wouldn't
print.

Jim Asman suggest I put $1b &k2G   at the top of the report.

Richard Kreiss





From rkreiss at verizon.net  Wed Apr 22 06:51:26 2009
From: rkreiss at verizon.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:51:26 -0400
Subject: report printing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904211513330.6745@nimbus.anzio.com>
References: <001501c9c2c8$198f76d0$4cae6470$@net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904211513330.6745@nimbus.anzio.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c9c351$6eb8c560$4c2a5020$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Rasmussen [mailto:ras at anzio.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:14 PM
> To: Richard Kreiss
> Cc: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: report printing
> 
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Richard Kreiss wrote:
> 
> >  ...
> > I tested a few other reports and they all printed.
> >
> > I was able to print the questionnaires back here on my laser printer.
> >
> > Now to the question, any ideas as to why this one form wouldn't print?
> 
> It had PCL in it?
> 
> Regards,
> ....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.

The report uses Jim Asman's HP LaserJet 6P print table.

I did run 2 small selection sets through Printwizard to pdf before printing
but this was so I could check the records selected prior to printing.

Richard Kreiss



From fairlite at fairlite.com  Wed Apr 22 09:53:57 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:53:57 -0400
Subject: tip about a problem you can run into with readline() - and a
	workaround
In-Reply-To: <93AF9BB0D94F49F6A96F4F7C47951736@CENTURY.21appr.com>;
	from john.esak@21appr.com on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:47:27AM -0400
References: <93AF9BB0D94F49F6A96F4F7C47951736@CENTURY.21appr.com>
Message-ID: <20090422125357.A11898@iglou.com>

Only John Esak would say something like:
> I don't think it is O/S related.  In other words it may not have been the
> fact that it happened on a 2008 Server system this time... it may be
> something in the environment, the version of the kernel, what other stuff is
> running at the time, who knows?  So, be safe, use this tip.

It's OS agnostic.  Alan Mazuti was bitten by this same bug about 3 weeks
ago, and I derived the same solution you did.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From brian at aljex.com  Wed Apr 22 10:29:28 2009
From: brian at aljex.com (Brian K. White)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:29:28 -0400
Subject: tip about a problem you can run into with readline() - and a
	workaround
In-Reply-To: <93AF9BB0D94F49F6A96F4F7C47951736@CENTURY.21appr.com>
References: <93AF9BB0D94F49F6A96F4F7C47951736@CENTURY.21appr.com>
Message-ID: <49EF53F8.9020708@aljex.com>

Yes we've seen it on 5.0.15 on linux.
I and several others have each independently encountered it, determined 
the same fix, and reported it here, all more or less in parallel.

For us it unquestionably appeared as a new problem in 5.0.15 with 
long-standing code that works fine on 5.0.14 down to whenever readline 
even appeared, on linux/solaris/sco/windows/freebsd.
We only updated 2 out of many boxes all running the exact same code and 
the problem only appeared on those two boxes, so the pattern is very 
definitely that something changed between 5.0.14 and 5.0.15, which of 
course is something we all knew already and which an unfortunately few 
and disregardable number of us expressed outrage about.

Whether there is a more specific pattern, like only particular versions 
of linux or other factors tickle the problem I can't yet say.

The only two boxes we updated, and the only two to have this problem, 
are somewhat different kernel versions, but very similar filepro and 
system configuration and exactly the same process tables.
One is a very recent 64bit kernel & OS, the other is 4 or so years old 
and 32 bit. fp binaries of course are 32bit, so I am always on the 
lookout for problems that only appear on 64bit systems, but this isn't one.
In fact I haven't seen any, or at least am not suffering any I know of 
these days or in the last few years.

-- 
bkw

John Esak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We just had two instances where readline() didn't work properly. Ken says he
> has seen this behavior on some systems only, and I know for a fact that it
>   

From yoresoft at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 22 12:13:05 2009
From: yoresoft at sbcglobal.net (Richard Hane)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: filepro to sql
Message-ID: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OK it's time for wierd question of the day.
?
Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly from filepro?? If not have about MS-Access?
?
I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am trying to do this seemlessly.
?
Thanks in advance,
Rick Hane
Controller
Deluxe Stitcher Company Inc
www.deluxestitcher.com
rhane at deluxestitcher.com
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From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 22 12:17:29 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:17:29 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49EF6D49.4030200@spamcop.net>

Richard Hane wrote:
> OK it's time for wierd question of the day.
>  
> Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly from filepro?  If not have about MS-Access?
>  
> I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am trying to do this seemlessly.

On Windows, you can use ODBC to have filePro populate it to your heart's 
content.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From yoresoft at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 22 12:25:06 2009
From: yoresoft at sbcglobal.net (Richard Hane)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <49EF6D49.4030200@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <725463.5270.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Ken,
?
And you know the sad part is I own the ODBC version and never thought of sending data the other way.
?
Rick Hane


--- On Wed, 4/22/09, Kenneth Brody <kenbrody at spamcop.net> wrote:

From: Kenneth Brody <kenbrody at spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: filepro to sql
To: yoresoft at sbcglobal.net
Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com, "Rick Hane" <rhane at deluxestitcher.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 2:17 PM

Richard Hane wrote:
> OK it's time for wierd question of the day.
>  Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly
from filepro?  If not have about MS-Access?
>  I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am
trying to do this seemlessly.

On Windows, you can use ODBC to have filePro populate it to your heart's
content.

-- Kenneth Brody
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From bill at celestial.com  Wed Apr 22 12:28:11 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:28:11 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090422192811.GA20483@ayn.mi.celestial.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009, Richard Hane wrote:

>OK it's time for wierd question of the day.

>Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly
>from filepro?  If not have about MS-Access?

>I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am
>trying to do this seemlessly.

We do regular imports into a Zope/Plone site from FilePro, which is
probably a bit more complex than importing into an SQL database.
The basic procedure we use is to create TSV files for each table
to be imported, then run an external python script that handles
the import via xmlrpc calls to the Plone site.

A very simple shell script could be used to import TSV files into
either postgresql (my choice) or mysql, one line per table in the
appropriate order to insure foreign key constraints are not
broken.  I do not Do Windows(tm) so can't say how one would do
this with M$-SQL or Access, but I assume that a simple batch file
could control the import.

As for importing into Excel or OpenOffice-calc, I have had
problems with field types doing tab-separated or comma-separated
files, so do it the other way around.  When I export data from my
Unify based accounting software that need in OpenOffice-calc, I
export the data to a MySQL database, then use the OO-calc data
sources to import from MySQL.  My accounting software is running
on SCO OpenServer 5.0.6a in a VMware virtual machine on CentOS 5
updating a MySQL database on another server running SuSE Linux
Enterprise 10, and importing into NeoOffice (Mac native
OpenOffice.org) on a Mac Mini running OS X 10.4 Tiger.  Who says
we can't have diversity :-).

Bill
-- 
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URL: http://www.celestial.com/  PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way
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Fax:            (206) 232-9186  Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792

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From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Wed Apr 22 12:28:44 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:28:44 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <289879.31466.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c9c380$8dbb1c90$a93155b0$@rr.com>

Within the next few days I'll be announcing fp2mysql which is a console
based app written in C# which

asks a few questions and then transfers the entire filePro key file into a
new MySQL table. 

 

For the most part, the only requirements are MyODBC, .NET, and a filePro key
file. It will be out in demo form

and then a full version will follow by the end of the month.

 

---

Ryan Powers

Bulldog Software, Inc.

 <http://www.bulldogsoftware.com/> http://www.bulldogsoftware.com

 

 

From: filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Hane
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:13 PM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Cc: Rick Hane
Subject: filepro to sql

 


OK it's time for wierd question of the day.

 

Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly
from filepro?  If not have about MS-Access?

 

I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am
trying to do this seemlessly.

 

Thanks in advance,

Rick Hane

Controller

Deluxe Stitcher Company Inc

www.deluxestitcher.com

rhane at deluxestitcher.com

 

 

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From rkreiss at gccconsulting.net  Wed Apr 22 12:37:47 2009
From: rkreiss at gccconsulting.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:37:47 -0400
Subject: fieldname
Message-ID: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>

I need to ascertain the field name from the first sort field of a demand index.  I am testing the following code but get a syntax error at fieldname().

Anyone see the problem?


@keyi  ? If: '**************************************************************
       Then: '* test ixsort to get sort from index entered
 66  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: declare file
 67  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: file="l_patient_market"{""
 68  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: xx=ixsort(file,"5")
 69  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: fs(3,.0)=mid(xx,"1","3");MSGBOX "The field # is"<fs
70  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: qq =fieldname(file,fs)
 71  -------   -   -  ^ -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: msgbox "Here is the first sort for index 5\n"<qq
 72  -------   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
       ? If:
       Then: END

The error shows at the f in fieldname

Now, since I know that the field in question will be either field 14 or field 45, I could just check the value of fs and hard code the field name.  However fieldname() should do this for me so I won't have any surprises.


Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
  




From jeffaharrison at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 12:48:41 2009
From: jeffaharrison at yahoo.com (Jeff Harrison)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: fieldname
In-Reply-To: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>
Message-ID: <915048.38282.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- On Wed, 4/22/09, Richard Kreiss <rkreiss at gccconsulting.net> wrote:

> From: Richard Kreiss <rkreiss at gccconsulting.net>
> Subject: re: fieldname
> To: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:37 PM
> I need to ascertain the field name from the first sort field
> of a demand index.  I am testing the following code but get
> a syntax error at fieldname().
> 
> Anyone see the problem?
> 
[snip]
>        ? If:
>        Then: qq =fieldname(file,fs)
>  71  -------   -   -  ^ -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -  
> -   -   -   -   -
[snip]

Hi Richard.  I don't have access to filepro at the moment to verify, but I believe that the first parameter is supposed to be the name of a lookup.

Jeff Harrison
jeffaharrison at yahoo.com


      

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 22 12:52:16 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:52:16 -0400
Subject: fieldname
In-Reply-To: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>
References: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>
Message-ID: <49EF7570.1030900@spamcop.net>

Richard Kreiss wrote:
[...]
>        Then: file="l_patient_market"{""

What's the purpose of the {"" here?  It's effectively a no-op.

[...]
>        Then: qq =fieldname(file,fs)
[...]
> The error shows at the f in fieldname
[...]

That's because the first parameter to fieldname() is a lookup name, not an 
expression which evaluates to a filename.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From rkreiss at gccconsulting.net  Wed Apr 22 12:56:10 2009
From: rkreiss at gccconsulting.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:10 -0400
Subject: fieldname
In-Reply-To: <915048.38282.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>
	<915048.38282.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c9c384$68506b50$38f141f0$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Harrison
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:49 PM
> To: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com; rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
> Subject: re: fieldname
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Richard Kreiss <rkreiss at gccconsulting.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Richard Kreiss <rkreiss at gccconsulting.net>
> > Subject: re: fieldname
> > To: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> > Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:37 PM
> > I need to ascertain the field name from the first sort field
> > of a demand index.  I am testing the following code but get
> > a syntax error at fieldname().
> >
> > Anyone see the problem?
> >
> [snip]
> >        ? If:
> >        Then: qq =fieldname(file,fs)
> >  71  -------   -   -  ^ -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -   -
> > -   -   -   -   -
> [snip]
> 
> Hi Richard.  I don't have access to filepro at the moment to verify, but I believe
> that the first parameter is supposed to be the name of a lookup.
> 
> Jeff Harrison
> jeffaharrison at yahoo.com
> 

Jeff,

File is set to the file name "l_patient_market"

Even when I added a lookup above line 71 to this file, I still received the syntax error.

Xx=Ixsort(file,"5") works just fine in getting me the sort information from l_patient_market index 5.

Richard


From tyler.style at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 13:17:41 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:17:41 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904221317xa6d03fen4d2e5a0470794d1@mail.gmail.com>

I do this all the time using some custom programs that 1, take filePro table
definitions & maps them to MySQL datatype equivalents and cleans out illegal
files name characters, and 2, uses a rules table to determine what the SQL
statements should be for a given set of records, pumps out the script, and
then issues a system command to a mysql client to upload it.  It was
actually quite easy to set up and has worked flawlessly.  It's especially
handy if your DB schema doesn't match your filePro file structures (mine
definitely doesn't).

-- 
Tyler Style
http://www.malthusian-solutions.com

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Hane <yoresoft at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: filepro to sql
>
> OK it's time for wierd question of the day.
> ?
> Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly
> from filepro?? If not have about MS-Access?
> ?
> I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am
> trying to do this seemlessly.
> ?
> Thanks in advance,
> Rick Hane
> Controller
> Deluxe Stitcher Company Inc
>
<rhane at deluxestitcher.com>
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From gccconsulting at comcast.net  Wed Apr 22 13:21:19 2009
From: gccconsulting at comcast.net (GCC Consulting)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:21:19 -0400
Subject: fieldname
In-Reply-To: <49EF7570.1030900@spamcop.net>
References: <009601c9c381$d43aa360$7cafea20$@net>
	<49EF7570.1030900@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <009f01c9c387$eba37850$c2ea68f0$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
>
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Brody
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
> Cc: Filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: fieldname
> 
> Richard Kreiss wrote:
> [...]
> >        Then: file="l_patient_market"{""
> 
> What's the purpose of the {"" here?  It's effectively a no-op.
> 
> [...]
> >        Then: qq =fieldname(file,fs)
> [...]
> > The error shows at the f in fieldname
> [...]
> 
> That's because the first parameter to fieldname() is a lookup name, not an
> expression which evaluates to a filename.
> 
> --
> Kenneth Brody

Adding lookup l_patient_market and the

Qq=fieldname(l_patient_market,fs) worked.

No quotes around the lookup name.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Richard


From tyler.style at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 13:28:19 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:28:19 -0700
Subject: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.50.1240431470.4675.filepro-list@lists.celestial.com>
References: <mailman.50.1240431470.4675.filepro-list@lists.celestial.com>
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904221328h77835064sc8f88e3295a59e89@mail.gmail.com>

Neat, but what happens if you don't want the original file structure for the
new schema?  I know our files were a mess and would not have transitioned
well directly to an RDBS.


--
Tyler Style
http://www.malthusian-solutions.com

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:28:44 -0400
From: "Ryan Powers" <ryanx at indy.rr.com>
Subject: RE: filepro to sql

Within the next few days I'll be announcing fp2mysql which is a console
based app written in C# which

asks a few questions and then transfers the entire filePro key file into a
new MySQL table.



For the most part, the only requirements are MyODBC, .NET, and a filePro key
file. It will be out in demo form

and then a full version will follow by the end of the month.



---

Ryan Powers

Bulldog Software, Inc.
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From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Wed Apr 22 14:19:06 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:19:06 -0400
Subject: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <1e78e1e80904221328h77835064sc8f88e3295a59e89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.50.1240431470.4675.filepro-list@lists.celestial.com>
	<1e78e1e80904221328h77835064sc8f88e3295a59e89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c9c38f$f7ecca00$e7c65e00$@rr.com>

filePro allows you to use multiple words for field names which isn't
permitted in MySQL, so the only way I see around this is to alter them.

The second problem is that filePro allows duplicate field names.

 

It isn't a straightforward transfer because that would be impossible. There
are several field changes but the data remains intact, albeit the

edits will not be. I considered retaining the edits but I've been down that
road before and it really isn't worth the trouble. IMO it is best to

do a text transfer and then clean and convert the field types in MySQL once
you have them in the tables.

 

---

Ryan Powers

Bulldog Software, Inc.

 <http://www.bulldogsoftware.com/> http://www.bulldogsoftware.com

 

 

From: filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com] On
Behalf Of Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:28 PM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23

 

Neat, but what happens if you don't want the original file structure for the
new schema?  I know our files were a mess and would not have transitioned
well directly to an RDBS.


--
Tyler Style
http://www.malthusian-solutions.com <http://www.malthusian-solutions.com/> 

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:28:44 -0400
From: "Ryan Powers" <ryanx at indy.rr.com>
Subject: RE: filepro to sql


Within the next few days I'll be announcing fp2mysql which is a console
based app written in C# which

asks a few questions and then transfers the entire filePro key file into a
new MySQL table.



For the most part, the only requirements are MyODBC, .NET, and a filePro key
file. It will be out in demo form

and then a full version will follow by the end of the month.



---

Ryan Powers

Bulldog Software, Inc.

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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Wed Apr 22 14:38:20 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:38:20 -0400
Subject: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <004c01c9c38f$f7ecca00$e7c65e00$@rr.com>;
	from ryanx@indy.rr.com on Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:19:06PM -0400
References: <mailman.50.1240431470.4675.filepro-list@lists.celestial.com>
	<1e78e1e80904221328h77835064sc8f88e3295a59e89@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c9c38f$f7ecca00$e7c65e00$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090422173820.A18172@iglou.com>

Simon--er, no...it was Ryan Powers--said:
> filePro allows you to use multiple words for field names which isn't
> permitted in MySQL, so the only way I see around this is to alter them.

Underscore to the rescue!

> The second problem is that filePro allows duplicate field names.

Track field names as used, then add index numbers to the end?

some_field
some_field2
some_field3
[etc.]

> It isn't a straightforward transfer because that would be
> impossible. There are several field changes but the data remains intact,
> albeit the edits will not be. I considered retaining the edits but I've
> been down that road before and it really isn't worth the trouble. IMO it
> is best to do a text transfer and then clean and convert the field types
> in MySQL once you have them in the tables.

In your defense, I think maintaining the edits is a complete waste of time.
I see edits as an application-level function, not a storage-level function.
If the data remains sacrosanct during transfer, that's all that should
matter.  Since the MySQL-based application will almost certainly be done in
something other than filePro, it's best to leave bounds checking beyond
field length and raw data type (int, char, varchar, et al) to the actual
application code.  Edits are definitely something I consider app-centric.

I shouldn't think it's worth the R&D to even be bothered with them for a
project like this, given the above.

mark->

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 22 17:32:06 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:32:06 -0400
Subject: filePro and MySQL (was Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23)
In-Reply-To: <20090422173820.A18172@iglou.com>
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Fairlight wrote:
> Simon--er, no...it was Ryan Powers--said:
[...]
>> It isn't a straightforward transfer because that would be
>> impossible. There are several field changes but the data remains intact,
>> albeit the edits will not be. I considered retaining the edits but I've
>> been down that road before and it really isn't worth the trouble. IMO it
>> is best to do a text transfer and then clean and convert the field types
>> in MySQL once you have them in the tables.
> 
> In your defense, I think maintaining the edits is a complete waste of time.
> I see edits as an application-level function, not a storage-level function.
> If the data remains sacrosanct during transfer, that's all that should
[...]

You can, of course, do some mapping.  For example, keeping dates as dates, 
and numbers as numbers.  And, if you're feeling adventuresome, yesno to boolean.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From fairlite at fairlite.com  Wed Apr 22 18:09:46 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:09:46 -0400
Subject: filePro and MySQL (was Re: Filepro-list Digest, Vol 63, Issue 23)
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This public service announcement was brought to you by Kenneth Brody:
> You can, of course, do some mapping.  For example, keeping dates as
> dates, and numbers as numbers.  And, if you're feeling adventuresome,
> yesno to boolean.

I didn't think of it, but of course fP's dates are not stored in epoch
format.  *sigh*  Good thing there are library calls to reverse that kind of
thing.

Still, that's a prime example of how application rules should NOT dictate
raw data storage, if ever there was one.  Especially something vague like
MDYY, where it's wholly ambiguous unless you know exactly what PFCMARK was
set to at entry.  Application usage that loose is one thing, but storing it
that way is just wrong on so many levels.

"You can always discard extra data that you don't need.  You can not
usually meaningfully fabricate accurate data in its initial absence.  There
is rarely such a thing as providing too much information."  --Fairlight

mark->
-- 
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the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From raym0nds at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 22 19:04:55 2009
From: raym0nds at yahoo.com (Raymond Scheel)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: filepro to sql
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I've done something that sounds similar to what Tyler Style described so we can access our fP data directly from Oracle.  

I have a filePro process that will walk the maps of a given (imported) list of directory and key files to generate the "SQL" commands for Oracle to see those keys as read-only, non-indexed external tables.  Those external references can then be used to load a native Oracle table that you could modify or index using standard SQL operations. 

I built in validation to adjust any filePro field names than might be Oracle reserved words (I just added an underscore to any column names that matched exactly an exhaustive list of reserved words.  I start each of the reference tables with a 20 byte binary field to cover the fP record header.  When I catch duplicate column names when compared to a list I build as I go for each table, I append the field number, and for multiple word field names I replace spaces with underscores.  Once I had that worked out, I was able to build the link instructions for several thousand keys in seconds   Any other SQL based products that allow external table references (like pointing to a flat file) should allow similar access.  

Aside from the binary header column, everything else comes in as a character and we fix it during the process to load the native Oracle tables. With the idiosyncrasies of fP edit validation, data that spanned decades, and key files merged from over 100 separate installations, there was too much funky data to fix by myself and still get the bulk of the data available in a timely manner for others to program around the problems. (At my work there are several programmers who primarily do SQL and pretty much only me keeping the fP side taped together). Now that we have access to all of it without having to jump through an import-export process each time we want to refresh our source data, we use it to populate tables in a separate Oracle instance so we are not tied to the existing (often very flawed) fP data structure. 

Ray Scheel

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 Richard Hane wrote:
> OK it's time for wierd question of the day.
>  Has anyone populated a SQL (either Microsoft or mysql) database directly
from filepro?  If not have about MS-Access?
>  I am pretty sure this could be done with Excel either dif or csv but I am
trying to do this seemlessly.


      

From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Thu Apr 23 04:51:21 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:51:21 -0400
Subject: filePro to SQL
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> Track field names as used, then add index numbers to the end?
> 
> some_field
> some_field2
> some_field3
> [etc.]

Exactly.

> In your defense, I think maintaining the edits is a complete waste of
> time.
> I see edits as an application-level function, not a storage-level
> function.

The issue really is that filePro edits are dual purpose. If they were
strictly field types it wouldn't be much of a problem, but as you say, they
are also used at the application level which muddles things quite a bit and
(I could be wrong here) is the primary reason that they are lenient as field
types.

Tyler asked something similar. I'll go into a little more detail in that
e-mail. 



> If the data remains sacrosanct during transfer, that's all that should
> matter.  Since the MySQL-based application will almost certainly be
> done in
> something other than filePro, it's best to leave bounds checking beyond
> field length and raw data type (int, char, varchar, et al) to the
> actual
> application code.  Edits are definitely something I consider app-
> centric.
> 
> I shouldn't think it's worth the R&D to even be bothered with them for
> a
> project like this, given the above.

Thanks for the encouragement. I wasn't 100% sure that it was the right move,
but now I am. Of course it isn't going to be appropriate for everyone, but
it does the job as far as I'm concerned.


---
Ryan Powers
Bulldog Software, Inc.
http://www.bulldogsoftware.com


From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Thu Apr 23 05:18:22 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:18:22 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
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>I was talking about if your filePro data doesn't map directly to your SQL
tables.? Does your program just recreate the filePro >maps as SQL tables, or
can you map the filePro fields to specific table fields?

No, it's a straightforward conversion and it will refuse to use any MySQL
table that already exists, so naturally there is no mapping involved.

>Oh - and I did mention in another post today that my own method for
migrating filePro data to MySQL does fieldname cleanup and >edit conversion,
so I'm definitely familiar with the issues :)? Why don't you find type
conversion worth the trouble?? I found it >pretty easy to create rules for
type conversion and data filters to scrub with.

I've done it more than a few times and it is practically impossible to
perfect that type of process. There are always going to be exceptions e.g.
You have a mm/dd/yy edit and somebody types in 4.23.09. You're going to have
to include things like that in your data scrubbing. I wanted to keep this
simple and free of complications in both code and user experience.

This is just something that I spent some time on and wanted to put out there
to see if it would be a useful product. Data scrubbing will certainly come
up again, but it?s a different ball of wax, or can of worms depending on
your point of view.


---
Ryan Powers
Bulldog Software, Inc.
http://www.bulldogsoftware.com
?


From tyler.style at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 05:26:24 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler Style)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:26:24 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
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Okee dokee then! I thot it was a serious tool beta kind of thing :) I 
shall cease and desist.

Ryan Powers wrote:
>> I was talking about if your filePro data doesn't map directly to your SQL
>>     
> tables.  Does your program just recreate the filePro >maps as SQL tables, or
> can you map the filePro fields to specific table fields?
>
> No, it's a straightforward conversion and it will refuse to use any MySQL
> table that already exists, so naturally there is no mapping involved.
>
>   
>> Oh - and I did mention in another post today that my own method for
>>     
> migrating filePro data to MySQL does fieldname cleanup and >edit conversion,
> so I'm definitely familiar with the issues :)  Why don't you find type
> conversion worth the trouble?  I found it >pretty easy to create rules for
> type conversion and data filters to scrub with.
>
> I've done it more than a few times and it is practically impossible to
> perfect that type of process. There are always going to be exceptions e.g.
> You have a mm/dd/yy edit and somebody types in 4.23.09. You're going to have
> to include things like that in your data scrubbing. I wanted to keep this
> simple and free of complications in both code and user experience.
>
> This is just something that I spent some time on and wanted to put out there
> to see if it would be a useful product. Data scrubbing will certainly come
> up again, but it?s a different ball of wax, or can of worms depending on
> your point of view.
>
>
> ---
> Ryan Powers
> Bulldog Software, Inc.
> http://www.bulldogsoftware.com
>  
>
>
>   

From fairlite at fairlite.com  Thu Apr 23 05:53:39 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:53:39 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
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>From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Tyler Style shouted:
> Okee dokee then! I thot it was a serious tool beta kind of thing :) I 
> shall cease and desist.

It is a serious tool.  Just because it doesn't have every feature someone
thinks should be in it, or work the way they'd design it, doesn't keep
it from being a serious tool--nor does it make it any less viable as a
solution for many scenarios.

If having every useful feature were the criterion for being a serious tool,
we could laugh just about every piece of software off the market as
irrelevant, which is hardly the case.

I find this kind of derision, smiley notwithstanding, insulting.  At least
Ryan's doing something and putting it out there.  You've mentioned yours,
but I get the impression it's an in-house deal.  When yours is up and out
there for public consumption, then you can criticise others' with some
mild degree of authority.

mark->

From bill at celestial.com  Thu Apr 23 09:43:13 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:43:13 -0700
Subject: filePro to SQL
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009, Ryan Powers wrote:
>> Track field names as used, then add index numbers to the end?
>> 
>> some_field
>> some_field2
>> some_field3
>> [etc.]
>
>Exactly.
>
>> In your defense, I think maintaining the edits is a complete waste of
>> time.
>> I see edits as an application-level function, not a storage-level
>> function.
>
>The issue really is that filePro edits are dual purpose. If they were
>strictly field types it wouldn't be much of a problem, but as you say, they
>are also used at the application level which muddles things quite a bit and
>(I could be wrong here) is the primary reason that they are lenient as field
>types.

Filepro edits can get in the way when loading data that one knows
is clean (as can stored procedures and/or triggers on postgresql
or other SQL databases).  It's been a long time since I did bulk
loads of data into FilePro, but I seem to remember disabling
edits during loads, and enabling them when done.

Things like putting spaces or non-alphanumeric characters in
field names or file names belong in the category of DON'T DO
THAT!!!!  While one can enclose field names in quotes on some SQL
databases, it's a PITA, and causes far more problems than it's
worth.

Bill
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From boaz at mirrotek.com  Thu Apr 23 13:57:01 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:57:01 -0400
Subject: Problem with SORTn command
Message-ID: <49F0D61D.1020602@mirrotek.com>

Please review this and let me know if I am using SORTn properly.

Using version 5.6.6 I have 7 sort levels on the report and I specify 
SORT2 in sort/selection processing to be equal to a dummy variable.  
IOW, it's supposed to replace the second sort option. 

On everything but SORT2 the sorts are laid out properly.  I have set up 
the processing table to hit SORT2=bh both on each record and only the on 
the first record with no difference.  It hits this before bh is set in 
the processing table and bh is set just before processing the SELECT 
command.

I've tried with bh set as (1,*) or the same as the original place 
setting of (2,*).  I also tried SORT2(2,*)=bh and SORT2(1,*), but 
nothing changes.

I have stepped through the process with the debugger and bh is set 
properly, (bh can be set to a value from "1" to "4") but the results 
don't change.  The report displays the results as if the SORT2 command 
is never considered.


What am I doing wrong?


From boaz at mirrotek.com  Thu Apr 23 14:23:51 2009
From: boaz at mirrotek.com (Boaz Bezborodko)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:23:51 -0400
Subject: Problem with SORTn command
Message-ID: <49F0DC67.60209@mirrotek.com>

> Please review this and let me know if I am using SORTn properly.
> 
> Using version 5.6.6 I have 7 sort levels on the report and I specify 
> SORT2 in sort/selection processing to be equal to a dummy variable.  
> IOW, it's supposed to replace the second sort option. 
> 
> On everything but SORT2 the sorts are laid out properly.  I have set up 
> the processing table to hit SORT2=bh both on each record and only the on 
> the first record with no difference.  It hits this before bh is set in 
> the processing table and bh is set just before processing the SELECT 
> command.
> 
> I've tried with bh set as (1,*) or the same as the original place 
> setting of (2,*).  I also tried SORT2(2,*)=bh and SORT2(1,*), but 
> nothing changes.
> 
> I have stepped through the process with the debugger and bh is set 
> properly, (bh can be set to a value from "1" to "4") but the results 
> don't change.  The report displays the results as if the SORT2 command 
> is never considered.
> 
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

I found out what I was doing wrong.  I was setting SORT2=bh before 
setting bh.  Once I moved it to a point after bh is set then it works.

The filePro manual doesn't make it clear that this is a requirement. 
(The filePro manual also doesn't make clear that @WBRKn occurs in 
reverse order to the sort order.)

Boaz

From tyler.style at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 07:49:27 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:49:27 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904240749x6c24b8adj3465c491c3ebb2ae@mail.gmail.com>

Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.  For one, it's hardly your place
to be insulted  - you're not the author.  For two, in his own words: "This
is just something that I spent some time on and wanted to put out there to
see if it would be a useful product".  My comment was hardly derisive!  It
was just an acknowledgment of  what he'd said.  Sheesh!

-- 
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com


>
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:53:39 -0400
> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Subject: Re: filepro to sql
>
> >From inside the gravity well of a singularity, Tyler Style shouted:
> > Okee dokee then! I thot it was a serious tool beta kind of thing :) I
> > shall cease and desist.
>
> It is a serious tool.  Just because it doesn't have every feature someone
> thinks should be in it, or work the way they'd design it, doesn't keep
> it from being a serious tool--nor does it make it any less viable as a
> solution for many scenarios.
>
> If having every useful feature were the criterion for being a serious tool,
> we could laugh just about every piece of software off the market as
> irrelevant, which is hardly the case.
>
> I find this kind of derision, smiley notwithstanding, insulting.  At least
> Ryan's doing something and putting it out there.  You've mentioned yours,
> but I get the impression it's an in-house deal.  When yours is up and out
> there for public consumption, then you can criticise others' with some
> mild degree of authority.
>
> mark->
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From fairlite at fairlite.com  Fri Apr 24 09:47:24 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
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The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:
> Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.  

Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a
high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the
wrong before I'll back down.  If you don't know that, you don't read
enough.  And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a
category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about
Ryan's product.

> For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.

On the contrary.  Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this
list.  I count Ryan as both.  Someone that essentially disrespects a friend
of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of
success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.

> For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some time
> on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful product".
> My comment was hardly derisive!  It was just an acknowledgment of what
> he'd said.  Sheesh!

Yeah, he's spent time on it.  A good deal of it.  I know, as I've talked to
him regularly as he's been working on it.  As for the second half, coding
for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:
putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open
their wallets].  The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part
that Ryan should have added.  This community is a very hard sell, as most
of us have learned the hard way.

So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-
what he was saying.

You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a
serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]

1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work.  While "serious tool
beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing
something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's
product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty
negative impact.

2) Learn to spell.  I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have
been incorrect.  Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum is
ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from
twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this
case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone
else's professional work.

Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a
lot.  To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally" slam both
someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,
it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.
You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent
itself on the shelf of in the workplace.  If you'd even seen it in action,
you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.

> -- Tyler Style http://malthusian-solutions.com

For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually
display some.  Or at least some tact.  I thought I had the market cornered
on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.

Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public
consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about
someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as
a negative connotation.

As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks.  You
don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to
point out what a git you've made of yourself.  Ryan's not only a colleague,
he's a close personal friend.  I stand by my friends, whether they need me
to or not.

Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if
you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take
a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than
you already do.  There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground
at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut
your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools
lightly than usual.

mark->
-- 
"I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along
the way. But I'll get the job done" --Captain Matthew Gideon, "Crusade"

From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Fri Apr 24 13:29:37 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:29:37 -0400
Subject: ADV: Bulldog Software releases fp2mysql beta
Message-ID: <000301c9c51b$635910a0$2a0b31e0$@rr.com>


Transfer your filePro data to MySQL quickly and easily!

http://bulldogsoftware.com

fp2mysql is currently in beta form. A full version will be forthcoming.

A serious application for serious developers:
1. complete data integrity 
2. bullet-proof data transfers
3. includes additional fields: new ID, old record number, CD, CB, UD, UB, BU
4. CD and UD are translated into yyyy-mm-dd format

An excellent way to prep your data for filePro ODBC!


---
Ryan Powers
Bulldog Software, Inc.
http://www.bulldogsoftware.com





From tyler.style at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 07:57:37 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 07:57:37 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904270757v6dfbddeag49841c5892128c9a@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
Subject: Re: filepro to sql

1, Since Ryan obviously reads the list and replies to it, why not let him
speak for himself?  Shouldn't you at least consult him first before going
off on a flame?

2, What's with all the ad hominem attacks, anyway?  Seriously, if you want
to talk 'professional', you're definitely not holding the moral high ground
that way.

As for the rest of your post, if you strip out the trolling and flaming
there's very little actual content, just "sound and fury..."

And I'll dare to say whatever I like, regardless of your opinion of it or
your attempts to bully me.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com



The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:
> Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.

Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a
high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the
wrong before I'll back down.  If you don't know that, you don't read
enough.  And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a
category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about
Ryan's product.

> For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.

On the contrary.  Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this
list.  I count Ryan as both.  Someone that essentially disrespects a friend
of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of
success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.

> For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some time
> on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful product".
> My comment was hardly derisive!  It was just an acknowledgment of what
> he'd said.  Sheesh!

Yeah, he's spent time on it.  A good deal of it.  I know, as I've talked to
him regularly as he's been working on it.  As for the second half, coding
for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:
putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open
their wallets].  The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part
that Ryan should have added.  This community is a very hard sell, as most
of us have learned the hard way.

So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-
what he was saying.

You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a
serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]

1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work.  While "serious tool
beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing
something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's
product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty
negative impact.

2) Learn to spell.  I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have
been incorrect.  Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum is
ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from
twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this
case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone
else's professional work.

Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a
lot.  To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally" slam both
someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,
it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.
You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent
itself on the shelf of in the workplace.  If you'd even seen it in action,
you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.

> -- Tyler Style http://malthusian-solutions.com

For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually
display some.  Or at least some tact.  I thought I had the market cornered
on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.

Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public
consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about
someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as
a negative connotation.

As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks.  You
don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to
point out what a git you've made of yourself.  Ryan's not only a colleague,
he's a close personal friend.  I stand by my friends, whether they need me
to or not.

Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if
you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take
a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than
you already do.  There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground
at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut
your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools
lightly than usual.

mark->
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From pulliamr at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 09:12:47 2009
From: pulliamr at earthlink.net (ROBERT PULLIAM)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:12:47 -0400
Subject: email
Message-ID: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>

Using sco unix.  Filepro.
Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are 
getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the email address.

Robert Pulliam
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From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com  Mon Apr 27 09:25:41 2009
From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:25:41 -0400
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <000601c9c754$d0a1ba50$71e52ef0$@com>

Anziowin & PrintWizard have several different methods of passing email from
the unix host to outlook.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

 

From:
filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+scottwalker=ramsystemscorp.com at lists.celestial.
com] On Behalf Of ROBERT PULLIAM
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:13 PM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: email

 

Using sco unix.  Filepro.

Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are 

getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to
send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the
email address.

 

Robert Pulliam

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From bill at celestial.com  Mon Apr 27 09:26:03 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:26:03 -0700
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <20090427162603.GA9617@ayn.mi.celestial.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009, ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:
>
>   Using sco unix.  Filepro.
>
>   Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are
>
>   getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like
>   to send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains
>   the email address.

All SCO systems going back to the Xenix days have e-mail.  It's
only a question of configuring it.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com  Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC
URL: http://www.celestial.com/  PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way
Voice:          (206) 236-1676  Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820
Fax:            (206) 232-9186  Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792

Many citizens because of their respect for what only appears to be a law
are cunningly coerced into waiving their rights due to ignorance.
    -- U.S. v. Minker

From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 27 09:34:42 2009
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:34:42 -0400
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <49F5DEA2.7020601@spamcop.net>

ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:
> Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are 
> getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the email address.

The never-released v2n2 edition of Laura's filePro Developer's Journal had 
an article by me, "Customized, Word-wrapped E-mail from filePro".  The 
complete (well, technically, "incomplete", as it was never finished) edition 
is available from her old website here:

     http://www.hvcomputer.com/old/fpdj/v2n2

The article starts on page 21.  It uses nroff to format, and sendmail to 
send the e-mail.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

From ryanx at indy.rr.com  Mon Apr 27 09:35:41 2009
From: ryanx at indy.rr.com (Ryan Powers)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:35:41 -0400
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <1e78e1e80904270757v6dfbddeag49841c5892128c9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e78e1e80904270757v6dfbddeag49841c5892128c9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c9c756$345154b0$9cf3fe10$@rr.com>

I am very capable of speaking for myself Tyler, and since you insist, the
fact is that I did not care to dignify your snide remark with a response.
This is a list for mature professionals and its pretty sad that it has come
to this. I posted to this list for the first time in over a year and right
away I'm insulted by a little troll.

 

---

Ryan Powers

Bulldog Software, Inc.

 <http://www.bulldogsoftware.com/> http://www.bulldogsoftware.com

 

 

From: filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com] On
Behalf Of Tyler
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:58 AM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: Re: filepro to sql

 

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
Subject: Re: filepro to sql

1, Since Ryan obviously reads the list and replies to it, why not let him
speak for himself?  Shouldn't you at least consult him first before going
off on a flame?

2, What's with all the ad hominem attacks, anyway?  Seriously, if you want
to talk 'professional', you're definitely not holding the moral high ground
that way.

As for the rest of your post, if you strip out the trolling and flaming
there's very little actual content, just "sound and fury..."

And I'll dare to say whatever I like, regardless of your opinion of it or
your attempts to bully me.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com <http://malthusian-solutions.com/> 



The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:
> Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.

Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a
high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the
wrong before I'll back down.  If you don't know that, you don't read
enough.  And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a
category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about
Ryan's product.

> For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.

On the contrary.  Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this
list.  I count Ryan as both.  Someone that essentially disrespects a friend
of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of
success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.

> For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some time
> on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful product".
> My comment was hardly derisive!  It was just an acknowledgment of what
> he'd said.  Sheesh!

Yeah, he's spent time on it.  A good deal of it.  I know, as I've talked to
him regularly as he's been working on it.  As for the second half, coding
for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:
putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open
their wallets].  The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part
that Ryan should have added.  This community is a very hard sell, as most
of us have learned the hard way.

So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-
what he was saying.

You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a
serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]

1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work.  While "serious tool
beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing
something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's
product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty
negative impact.

2) Learn to spell.  I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have
been incorrect.  Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum is
ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from
twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this
case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone
else's professional work.

Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a
lot.  To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally" slam both
someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,
it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.
You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent
itself on the shelf of in the workplace.  If you'd even seen it in action,
you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.

> -- Tyler Style http://malthusian-solutions.com
<http://malthusian-solutions.com/> 

For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually
display some.  Or at least some tact.  I thought I had the market cornered
on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.

Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public
consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about
someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as
a negative connotation.

As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks.  You
don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to
point out what a git you've made of yourself.  Ryan's not only a colleague,
he's a close personal friend.  I stand by my friends, whether they need me
to or not.

Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if
you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take
a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than
you already do.  There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground
at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut
your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools
lightly than usual.

mark-> 

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From tyler.style at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 09:45:26 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:45:26 -0700
Subject: filepro to sql
In-Reply-To: <002a01c9c756$345154b0$9cf3fe10$@rr.com>
References: <1e78e1e80904270757v6dfbddeag49841c5892128c9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<002a01c9c756$345154b0$9cf3fe10$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904270945j201fb5f2lc3c5f242632eb542@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry you took offense Ryan, it wasn't meant as such.  To me your
posting sounded like your software was something you were playing around
with and just tossed it out there for people to have a look see and see if
there was real interest in such before putting serious dev time into it.

Mark's post kind of casts doubt on your statement that the list is for
mature professionals tho in my book.  As does your calling me a little
troll.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Ryan Powers <ryanx at indy.rr.com> wrote:

>  I am very capable of speaking for myself Tyler, and since you insist, the
> fact is that I did not care to dignify your snide remark with a response.
> This is a list for mature professionals and its pretty sad that it has come
> to this. I posted to this list for the first time in over a year and right
> away I?m insulted by a little troll.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Ryan Powers
>
> Bulldog Software, Inc.
>
> http://www.bulldogsoftware.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* filepro-list-bounces+ryanx=indy.rr.com at lists.celestial.com[mailto:
> filepro-list-bounces+ryanx <filepro-list-bounces%2Bryanx>=indy.rr.com@
> lists.celestial.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyler
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 10:58 AM
> *To:* filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: filepro to sql
>
>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:24 -0400
> From: Fairlight <fairlite at fairlite.com>
> Subject: Re: filepro to sql
>
> 1, Since Ryan obviously reads the list and replies to it, why not let him
> speak for himself?  Shouldn't you at least consult him first before going
> off on a flame?
>
> 2, What's with all the ad hominem attacks, anyway?  Seriously, if you want
> to talk 'professional', you're definitely not holding the moral high ground
> that way.
>
> As for the rest of your post, if you strip out the trolling and flaming
> there's very little actual content, just "sound and fury..."
>
> And I'll dare to say whatever I like, regardless of your opinion of it or
> your attempts to bully me.
>
> --
> Tyler Style
> http://malthusian-solutions.com
>
>
>
> The honourable and venerable Tyler spoke thus:
> > Oi vey, get off your high horse there Mark.
>
> Anyone that's spent any time on this lists knows that even if I -were- on a
> high horse, you'll have to being me pretty solid proof that I am in the
> wrong before I'll back down.  If you don't know that, you don't read
> enough.  And it would take someone I actually respect to point it out--a
> category from which you excluded yourself with your flip comment about
> Ryan's product.
>
> > For one, it's hardly your place to be insulted - you're not the author.
>
> On the contrary.  Many of us have a lot of colleagues and friends on this
> list.  I count Ryan as both.  Someone that essentially disrespects a friend
> of mine by saying something that may unjustly compromise his chances of
> success with a venture will be standing in a very unenviable place.
>
> > For two, in his own words: "This is just something that I spent some time
> > on and wanted to put out there to see if it would be a useful product".
> > My comment was hardly derisive!  It was just an acknowledgment of what
> > he'd said.  Sheesh!
>
> Yeah, he's spent time on it.  A good deal of it.  I know, as I've talked to
> him regularly as he's been working on it.  As for the second half, coding
> for this community on spec is pretty much -exactly- as he described it:
> putting it out there to see if it's useful [enough for people to pry open
> their wallets].  The part in brackets was the implied, if unspoken part
> that Ryan should have added.  This community is a very hard sell, as most
> of us have learned the hard way.
>
> So while Ryan is not necessarily as expository as I am, I know -exactly-
> what he was saying.
>
> You, OTOH, dared to extrapolate his explanation into, "I thot it was a
> serious tool beta kind of thing." [sic]
>
> 1) Learn to accurately represent someone else's work.  While "serious tool
> beta kind of thing" is not only a horribly inept attempt at describing
> something, it's also a vastly inaccurate extrapolated depiction of Ryan's
> product (sight unseen by you, no less), with a demeaning and pretty
> negative impact.
>
> 2) Learn to spell.  I thought you were halfway literate, but I could have
> been incorrect.  Usually correcting someone's spelling in a public forum is
> ridiculously immature, but my God, I've seen more literate displays from
> twelve year olds playing Team Fortress 2, so it's rather justified in this
> case, considering you're commenting in a professional forum about someone
> else's professional work.
>
> Anyone that knows business -at all- knows that perception counts for a
> lot.  To be careless with one's words and even "accidentally" slam both
> someone's product before it even hits the shelf is not only disrespectful,
> it's potentially harming their business, and therefore their livelihood.
> You're slanting the perception of the product before it can even represent
> itself on the shelf of in the workplace.  If you'd even seen it in action,
> you -might- have grounds to open your mouth, but you didn't, TTBOMK.
>
> > -- Tyler Style http://malthusian-solutions.com
>
> For someone whose last name is Style, one would think you would actually
> display some.  Or at least some tact.  I thought I had the market cornered
> on that front, but I'm (sort of) glad to see I have competition.
>
> Unless you yourself are putting forth a superior offering for public
> consumption, I don't see any call for you to insinuate anything about
> someone else's, or even reinforce something you (incorrectly) perceived as
> a negative connotation.
>
> As for your assertion that I have no right to be offended--bollocks.  You
> don't get to call that simply because it's inconvenient to you for me to
> point out what a git you've made of yourself.  Ryan's not only a colleague,
> he's a close personal friend.  I stand by my friends, whether they need me
> to or not.
>
> Now...my advice for you before this escalates into an all-out argument (if
> you think it already has, you -really- don't read enough) would be to take
> a deep breath, and walk away from this before you look more the fool than
> you already do.  There's no way in hell you have the higher moral ground
> at this point to win this one, so you may as well just shut it now and cut
> your losses--especially when I'm even less in the mood to suffer fools
> lightly than usual.
>
> mark->
>
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From tyler.style at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 09:50:23 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:50:23 -0700
Subject: email
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904270950p67cba6d1wff6b27fabdb9e013@mail.gmail.com>

We use openserver 6 and send email all the time.  If your sendmail is
configured, you can just write out a textfile and use a system command with
sendmail to pop it along.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com


> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:12:47 -0400
> From: "ROBERT PULLIAM" <pulliamr at earthlink.net>
> Subject: email
>
> Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are
> getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to
> send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the
> email address.
>
> Robert Pulliam
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From ras at anzio.com  Mon Apr 27 09:55:23 2009
From: ras at anzio.com (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904270951270.30624@nimbus.anzio.com>

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:

> Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are 
> getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the email address.

There's probably more to it than that. What kind of email do you want to 
send them? Plain text, which they have just as much trouble printing as 
you do, that looks like 1965 correspondence? PCL, when you don't know if 
they have a PCL printer?

A better option is to send them a well-formatted PDF. It can be viewed on 
any system, printed on any printer, and it can look nice, with boxes, 
logo, font changes, etc.

As has been mentioned, our software will allow you to pass the job to a 
Windows box, create a PDF from it, and email it, interactively, 
semi-interactively, or totally batch.

Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.

personal e-mail: ras at anzio.com
 company e-mail: rsi at anzio.com
          voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time)
            fax: (US) 503-624-0760
            web: http://www.anzio.com
 street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc.
                 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9
                 Portland, OR  97223  USA

From fp at fpgroups.com  Mon Apr 27 10:07:41 2009
From: fp at fpgroups.com (Jose Lerebours)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:07:41 -0400
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <49F5E65D.5040909@fpgroups.com>

ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:
> Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are
> getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like 
> to send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains 
> the email address.
>  
> Robert Pulliam
Robert,

If you have sendmail or any MTA configured in your box, you should be 
able to use mutt or something
similar to send email right out of your filePro application.

That being said, since you are sending statements, there is a chance 
that you may want to use HTML and
some images to make them look nice.  You might want to set them up so 
that when printed, they fit nicely
on a page, etc,. etc., etc.

Some time ago I wrote a code snippet where I explain an alternative to 
producing HTML forms from filePro
 (http://www.fpgroups.com/index.php?Target=code).  I included the 
filePro code which could be easily plugged
into any filePro based application and produce any filePro form in HTML 
using any generic WYSIWYG type
application to design the form itself.  In short, you can produced any 
filePro form in HTML in two basic steps:
(1) Design the forms using any WYSIWYG application or something similar
(2) Use the code I provided within your program and call the routine

I have done this type of thing many times before and have gotten very 
nice results.  If you wish, just let me know
if you need detailed instructions or help with your code to get this done.

Regards,


Jose Lerebours
9545-559-7186
http://www.fpgroups.com




From john at valar.com  Mon Apr 27 11:33:33 2009
From: john at valar.com (John Esak)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:33:33 -0400
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
Message-ID: <200904271833.n3RIXXAr023689@admin114.securesites.net>

My recommendation is pick up Lightmail from www.fairlite.com.  $149 I think.
It will be very easy for you to send any email from with fifleP

 
It lets you run a SYSTEM command that lets you combine text and data from
your records.  Very easy to use... with or without attachments, bodies,
subject, cc., etc.  I have a ready-to-go prc table that employs LightMail I
could put up here.
 
john    
 
John
 


  _____  

From: filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+john=valar.com at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf
Of ROBERT PULLIAM
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:13 PM
To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Subject: email


Using sco unix.  Filepro.
Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are 
getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to
send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the
email address.
 
Robert Pulliam

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From rkreiss at gccconsulting.net  Mon Apr 27 12:29:48 2009
From: rkreiss at gccconsulting.net (Richard Kreiss)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:29:48 -0400
Subject: email
In-Reply-To: <49F5DEA2.7020601@spamcop.net>
References: <B770F3E427D943EEB7ED880A123B6BED@accesshealthwv.com>
	<49F5DEA2.7020601@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <007701c9c76e$8e39c350$aaad49f0$@net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com
>
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces+gccconsulting=comcast.net at lists.celestial.com]
On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Brody
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:35 PM
> To: ROBERT PULLIAM
> Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: email
> 
> ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:
> > Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> > Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are
> > getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like
to send
> statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the email
address.
> 
> The never-released v2n2 edition of Laura's filePro Developer's Journal had
> an article by me, "Customized, Word-wrapped E-mail from filePro".  The
> complete (well, technically, "incomplete", as it was never finished)
edition
> is available from her old website here:
> 
>      http://www.hvcomputer.com/old/fpdj/v2n2
> 
> The article starts on page 21.  It uses nroff to format, and sendmail to
> send the e-mail.
> 
> --
> Kenneth Brody

Ken,

With fp 5.6 and wordwrap option, could not one use this to have nicely
formatted test for emailing?

With a little bit of work, one can use proportional fonts in the output and
have  it wrap properly.



Richard Kreiss
GCC Consulting
rkreiss at gccconsulting.net
? 





From tyler.style at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 08:22:16 2009
From: tyler.style at gmail.com (Tyler)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:22:16 -0700
Subject: email
Message-ID: <1e78e1e80904280822p5c5a6cd0v25219eb9db0d125e@mail.gmail.com>

I'll second Bob's suggestion - generating and mailing a PDF or making it
available for the customer to download/view it on your website is probably
the best solution.  We do that for many documents, and it works super well
for us.  If you don't know how to generate PDFs using Openserver's pcl2pdf
and mail them using sendmail, you'd definitely be best off using a Windows
box and Bob's software.

--
Tyler Style
http://malthusian-solutions.com


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob Rasmussen <ras at anzio.com>
Subject: Re: email
To: ROBERT PULLIAM <pulliamr at earthlink.net>
Cc: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64ras.0904270951270.30624 at nimbus.anzio.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, ROBERT PULLIAM wrote:

> Using sco unix.  Filepro.
> Is there a way to send email?   My business statements are
> getting to be so many and postal rates keep going up that I would like to
send statements by email.  A field in the filepro database contains the
email address.

There's probably more to it than that. What kind of email do you want to
send them? Plain text, which they have just as much trouble printing as
you do, that looks like 1965 correspondence? PCL, when you don't know if
they have a PCL printer?

A better option is to send them a well-formatted PDF. It can be viewed on
any system, printed on any printer, and it can look nice, with boxes,
logo, font changes, etc.

As has been mentioned, our software will allow you to pass the job to a
Windows box, create a PDF from it, and email it, interactively,
semi-interactively, or totally batch.

Regards,
....Bob Rasmussen,   President,   Rasmussen Software, Inc.
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From filepro at microlite.com  Tue Apr 28 14:58:18 2009
From: filepro at microlite.com (Alias for filepro)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:58:18 -0400
Subject: Quiet this week without Bob
Message-ID: <20090428215818.94A2D30B59@mailbox.microlite.com>

No talk of Saturday and Roses and Mint Juleps. It's just not the same this year without Bob Stockler. Sigh.
Tom Podnar
Microlite
 


From bill at celestial.com  Tue Apr 28 15:55:23 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:55:23 -0700
Subject: Quiet this week without Bob
In-Reply-To: <20090428215818.94A2D30B59@mailbox.microlite.com>
References: <20090428215818.94A2D30B59@mailbox.microlite.com>
Message-ID: <20090428225523.GA20989@ayn.mi.celestial.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009, Alias for filepro wrote:

>No talk of Saturday and Roses and Mint Juleps. It's just not the same this
>year without Bob Stockler. Sigh.

True enough.  Raise a toast with a virtual mint julep.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com  Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC
URL: http://www.celestial.com/  PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way
Voice:          (206) 236-1676  Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820
Fax:            (206) 232-9186  Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792

The Constitution is a written instrument.  As such, its meaning
does not alter.  That which it meant when it was adopted, it
means now.  -- SOUTH CAROLINA v. US, 199 U.S. 437, 448 (1905)

From mschw at athenet.net  Tue Apr 28 16:14:22 2009
From: mschw at athenet.net (Mike Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:14:22 -0500
Subject: Quiet this week without Bob
In-Reply-To: <20090428225523.GA20989@ayn.mi.celestial.com>
References: <20090428215818.94A2D30B59@mailbox.microlite.com>
	<20090428225523.GA20989@ayn.mi.celestial.com>
Message-ID: <014b01c9c857$11b5b200$35211600$@net>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: filepro-list-bounces+mschw=athenet.net at lists.celestial.com
> [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+mschw=athenet.net at lists.celestial.com] On
> Behalf Of Bill Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:55 PM
> To: filepro-list at lists.celestial.com
> Subject: Re: Quiet this week without Bob
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009, Alias for filepro wrote:
> 
> >No talk of Saturday and Roses and Mint Juleps. It's just not the same
> this
> >year without Bob Stockler. Sigh.
> 
> True enough.  Raise a toast with a virtual mint julep.
> 
> Bill

    Virtual ?!?? I still have 1/2 of the pint of bourbon I bought for last
year's KD.  (That was the first mint julep I ever had, made with Bob's
recipe.  I'll forward the recipe to anybody who asks for it.)

And one final reminder from Bob:

[snip]
For you added convenience (since I may not be around next year) here are the
dates of Kentucky Derby Day for this and the next 20 years:

  Derby Day is Saturday 05/03/2008
  Derby Day is Saturday 05/02/2009
  Derby Day is Saturday 05/01/2010
  Derby Day is Saturday 05/07/2011
  Derby Day is Saturday 05/05/2012...
[/snip]

Mike Schwartz


From mschw at athenet.net  Tue Apr 28 20:26:13 2009
From: mschw at athenet.net (Mike Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:26:13 -0500
Subject: OT: FW: You're (posthumously) Invited - Virtual KY Derby Party
Message-ID: <017001c9c87a$4060a290$c121e7b0$@net>

     Bob's mint julep recipe:

-----Original Message-----
From: filepro-list-bounces at lists.celestial.com
[mailto:filepro-list-bounces at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Bob Stockler
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:34 PM
To: filePro Mailing List
Subject: OT: You're Invited - Virtual KY Derby Party

To help you better enjoy our Virtual Kentucky Derby Party . . .

Here is the Kentuck Mint Julep recipe I recommend for all who
attend the Virtual Kentucky Party in the filePro Room May 7th.

Have sufficient of the fixins on hand:

  Sprigs of mint for the number of Mint Juleps planned.
  Kentucky Bourbon.
  Sterling Silver Mint Julep cups.
  Simple syrup.
  Cracked ice.

You can pick the mint from your garden, if you planted some in
a raised bed (higher than a dog can lift his hind leg), or get
some from your green grocer,

100 proof Kentucky Bourbon is preferred, but whatever the proof
it _must_ be genuine straight Kentucky Bourbon - distilled, aged
and bottled in Kentucky (no blends are allowed) [1].

Substitute your favorite drinking vessel if Sterling Silver cups
aren't available, but chill what's used well in advance.

Simple syrup is a solution of sugar in water.  You can make your
own or buy Bar Syrup at a liquor store.  If you make your own,
start several days in advance to get as saturated a solution as
possible (dilution of the Mint Julep is to be avoided [2]).

Putting it all together:

  Fill the chilled drinking vessel with cracked ice and pour
  the Kentucky Bourbon on that (almost to the brim).

  Add simple syrup to taste and stir.

  (The bartender is encouraged to taste all concoctions he
  prepares, to assure only the highest quality is served.)
  
  Insert a sprig of mint, of a length so its top leaves
  tickle the imbiber's nose when sipped.

Hoping you'll join us for the most exciting 2 minutes in sports,

Bob

[1] - While it's not 100 proof, Blanton's Single Barrel
      Kentucky Bourbon (93) will be served in Louisville.

[2] - It's also a good idea to chill the Kentuck Bourbon
      overnight in the refrigerator, so it doesn't melt
      the cracked ice too quickly.

[snip]
      Simple syrup is saturated sugar water.  You can make it yourself
      (Google for recipies), or buy it premade at liquor stores as I do
      (Collins Bar Syrup).
[/snip]

-- 
Bob Stockler - bob at trebor.iglou.com
Author: MENU EDIT II - The BEST Creator/Editor/Manager for filePro User
Menus.
Fully functional (time-limited) demos available by email request (specify
OS).
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From fp at fpgroups.com  Wed Apr 29 05:46:01 2009
From: fp at fpgroups.com (Jose Lerebours)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:46:01 -0400
Subject: free filePro application
Message-ID: <49F84C09.1050004@fpgroups.com>

Long time ago I mentioned my believe that there might be some benefit on 
bringing
filePro closer to the "open source" community.

I have a full blown application which I believe could be deployed in any 
of the following
(a) Retail
(b) Wholesale
(c) Distribution
(d) Service

The application is very much install and go ready.  I wrote it under SCO 
UNIX platform
but as you know, it can be ported to any filePro compatible OS.  There 
might be some
work needed if moved out of *NIX environment but very minimal (just for 
shell scripts).

If you are interested and would like to learn more about this 
application, please contact
me off list and I will provide you with a PDF document showing some of 
the features
built into this application.

This is a great opportunity for those of you looking for something you 
can market right
out of the box. 

FREE?  Yes, free!

No strings attached.  As a developer, you should be able to navigate 
your way through
the application, maintain it, modify it and do with it what you please.

Is there a catch?  Not really - I developed the application a very long 
time ago.  I am not
doing anything with it myself and I think it would be a shame to just 
let it die.  I am in the
process of writing an identical application in PHP+MySQL.  That being 
said, there is that
chance that one or two of you will hire me as a result of your success 
with this application.
Think of this application as my filePro format resume. 

If you wish to call me, feel free to ... I will love to answer your 
questions!

Regards,


Jose Lerebours
http://www.fpgroups.com
954-559-7186


From doug.luurs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 05:57:02 2009
From: doug.luurs at gmail.com (Doug Luurs)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:57:02 -0400
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
Message-ID: <a931396d0904290557jeddf2eam4191a62d4791ae05@mail.gmail.com>

I've been trying to get ahold of STN for the last few day to see if I
can get ahold of a copy of their termcap.sh program.
( REF: STN Filepro Development Guide 4th Ed - Page 167 )

Does anyone at STN read the list .. and might I a copy of the program please ?
(or anyone else for that matter)

Thanks

From fp at fpgroups.com  Wed Apr 29 07:13:14 2009
From: fp at fpgroups.com (Jose Lerebours)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:13:14 -0400
Subject: Contacting Jose Lerebours
Message-ID: <49F8607A.7090708@fpgroups.com>

I have received a couple of phone calls and learned of my email address 
coming back as unknown. 

If you are having this problem, you can try using  fpgroups at gmail.com or 
simply call me ...  Please
excuse this inconvenience, I have to get GoDaddy to fix this problem 
once and for all.

Regards,

Jose Lerebours
http://www.fpgroups.com
954-559-7186
fp at fpgroups.com
fpgroups at gmail.com




From bill at celestial.com  Wed Apr 29 09:40:27 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:40:27 -0700
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
In-Reply-To: <a931396d0904290557jeddf2eam4191a62d4791ae05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a931396d0904290557jeddf2eam4191a62d4791ae05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090429164027.GB18012@ayn.mi.celestial.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009, Doug Luurs wrote:
>I've been trying to get ahold of STN for the last few day to see if I
>can get ahold of a copy of their termcap.sh program.
>( REF: STN Filepro Development Guide 4th Ed - Page 167 )
>
>Does anyone at STN read the list .. and might I a copy of the program please ?
>(or anyone else for that matter)

What does this program do?  I have several perl or python routines that do
termcap manipulation on *nix boxen.

Bill
-- 
INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com  Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC
URL: http://www.celestial.com/  PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way
Voice:          (206) 236-1676  Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820
Fax:            (206) 232-9186  Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792

Memoirs -- Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs, and his
wife Hillary got $8 million for hers.  That's $20 million for memories from
two people who for eight years repeatedly testified  they couldn't remember
anything.

From bruce at stn.com  Wed Apr 29 10:21:55 2009
From: bruce at stn.com (Bruce Easton)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:21:55 -0400
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
In-Reply-To: <20090429164027.GB18012@ayn.mi.celestial.com>
References: <a931396d0904290557jeddf2eam4191a62d4791ae05@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090429164027.GB18012@ayn.mi.celestial.com>
Message-ID: <FB90C7EAD36A4114A2993EB7F9821925@dospc146>

Bill Campbell wrote Wednesday,
April 29, 2009 12:40 PM:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009, Doug Luurs
wrote:
> >I've been trying to get ahold of
STN for the last few day to 
> see if I 
> >can get ahold of a copy of their
termcap.sh program.
> >( REF: STN Filepro Development
Guide 4th Ed - Page 167 )
> >
> >Does anyone at STN read the list
.. and might I a copy of 
> the program please ?
> >(or anyone else for that matter)
> 
> What does this program do?  I
have several perl or python 
> routines that do termcap
manipulation on *nix boxen.
> 
> Bill
> -- 
> INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com
Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
LLC

Bill - our book says this program
will "take the code [termcap]
apart, and display it in readable
form."  Looks like it asks 
for the name of the termcap file
and a terminal type and then 
outputs a list with entries like:

.
.
G1  ^A\277   Graphics - Upper-right
G2  ^A\332   Graphics - Upper-left
.
.
PC  \E[X     filePro - redraw
screen
. 
.
etc.

So the shell program is accompanied
by a library file 
that has the descriptions for the
different kinds of
possible entries.

I notice it has a sizeable sed
command in the middle - 
I'd have to have a Sudafed to
understand it more.  
I sent Doug the program and lib
files.

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.
  


From fairlite at fairlite.com  Wed Apr 29 12:45:15 2009
From: fairlite at fairlite.com (Fairlight)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:45:15 -0400
Subject: OT: Virtual OSes
Message-ID: <20090429154515.A11620@iglou.com>

I've known about VMWare for ages.  I've even been using DOSBox for some
retro gaming.

I was just looking into Joomla! the other day, and through looking at
something they did, I found out about a project Sun did that I guess I sort
of previously missed.  It's called VirtualBox (www.virtualbox.org).

It's virtualisation.  In short--run guest OSes from your current one.
They've got binaries for all the big host OSes.

I've used Microsoft's Hyper-V, and I have to say that (unsurprisingly) I'm
much happier with Sun's take on it than MS's overly-complex attempt that
does a lot poorer job at some things given the complexity.  (Do -not- get
me started on their keyboard and mouse handling under Hyper-V with linux.)

Pretty much it was as simple as download and install VirtualBox, download
the DVD ISO for OpenSuSE 11.1, and do the normal installation of SuSE
inside VirtualBox.  It went flawlessly, and I now have SuSE 11.1 running
under WinXP whenever I want it.

I used to dual boot, years back.  I stopped because I'm a heavy gamer (as
many of you know), and games for linux never really took off properly.  I
was spending so much time in Windows that I just stopped booting linux
entirely, preferring to use remote, and then in-house headless systems for
separate linux use.  The Cobalt Qube that I'd maintained in-house has HD
issues, and was dodgy at best to attempt updating to a modern linux dist
due to some limitations inherent in the firmware.  So that's been down for
a while.

Now I basically get to do all my gaming and usual desktop/multimedia/whatever 
on WinXP, but get to run a proper linux development system on-demand,
without rebooting at all.

About the only bad thing I have to say about VirtualBox thus far -isn't-
even Sun's fault--it's Microsoft's.  Just keep clicking "Continue" when you
get about 8+ boxes warning about unsigned this and unsigned that.  It all
works just fine (straight down to the networking--which required -zero-
configuration and even properly grabbed my nameserver configs).  So you get
some warnings/confirmations, but it's Windows that generates them, not VB.
And only during install.

Can't say enough good things about this setup.  And since it works off of
virtual hard drive images, you can add as many distributions as you like to
test drive, compare, use, whatever.  And the dynamically resising ones are
great.  It's also NOT limited to linux.  You can run BSD, linux, Solaris,
Windows, OS/2, or "Other".  Hmmm.  Wonder if you can get OS/X running on
Windows. :)

Anyway...it solves a bunch of logistical problems for me, including my old
linux dev box being headless.  If you have the need (or just like to putz
around), give it a shot.  As near as I can tell, it's all good.

mark->

From doug at borisch.com  Wed Apr 29 10:53:09 2009
From: doug at borisch.com (Doug Luurs)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:53:09 -0400
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
In-Reply-To: <FB90C7EAD36A4114A2993EB7F9821925@dospc146>
References: <a931396d0904290557jeddf2eam4191a62d4791ae05@mail.gmail.com><20090429164027.GB18012@ayn.mi.celestial.com>
	<FB90C7EAD36A4114A2993EB7F9821925@dospc146>
Message-ID: <7FD9E40A40547A4DA8FFFE464EE8177759C21205@bmc0003.borisch.local>

And it's working great .. Much easiler to read the output from this then the raw termcap.

-----Original Message-----
From: filepro-list-bounces+doug.luurs=gmail.com at lists.celestial.com [mailto:filepro-list-bounces+doug.luurs=gmail.com at lists.celestial.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Easton
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:22 PM
To: 'filepro list'
Subject: RE: STN Termcap.sh program

Bill Campbell wrote Wednesday,
April 29, 2009 12:40 PM:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009, Doug Luurs
wrote:
> >I've been trying to get ahold of
STN for the last few day to 
> see if I 
> >can get ahold of a copy of their
termcap.sh program.
> >( REF: STN Filepro Development
Guide 4th Ed - Page 167 )
> >
> >Does anyone at STN read the list
.. and might I a copy of 
> the program please ?
> >(or anyone else for that matter)
> 
> What does this program do?  I
have several perl or python 
> routines that do termcap
manipulation on *nix boxen.
> 
> Bill
> -- 
> INTERNET:   bill at celestial.com
Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
LLC

Bill - our book says this program
will "take the code [termcap]
apart, and display it in readable
form."  Looks like it asks 
for the name of the termcap file
and a terminal type and then 
outputs a list with entries like:

.
.
G1  ^A\277   Graphics - Upper-right
G2  ^A\332   Graphics - Upper-left
.
.
PC  \E[X     filePro - redraw
screen
. 
.
etc.

So the shell program is accompanied
by a library file 
that has the descriptions for the
different kinds of
possible entries.

I notice it has a sizeable sed
command in the middle - 
I'd have to have a Sudafed to
understand it more.  
I sent Doug the program and lib
files.

Bruce

Bruce Easton
STN, Inc.
  

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From appl at jpr.com  Wed Apr 29 13:33:10 2009
From: appl at jpr.com (Jean-Pierre A. Radley)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:10 -0400
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
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Bruce Easton propounded (on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 01:21:55PM -0400):
| Bill Campbell wrote Wednesday,
| 
| Bill - our book says this program will "take the code [termcap]
| apart, and display it in readable form."  Looks like it asks 
| for the name of the termcap file and a terminal type and then 
| outputs a list with entries like:
| 
| G1  ^A\277   Graphics - Upper-right
| G2  ^A\332   Graphics - Upper-left
| 
|  . . . . .
|
| I sent Doug the program and lib | files.
| 

If you're handing it out for free, why not post it publicly, for example in
the filePro subdirectory of ftp.jpr.com?


-- 
JP

From bill at celestial.com  Wed Apr 29 13:51:10 2009
From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:51:10 -0700
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009, Jean-Pierre A. Radley wrote:
>Bruce Easton propounded (on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 01:21:55PM -0400):
>| Bill Campbell wrote Wednesday,
>| 
>| Bill - our book says this program will "take the code [termcap]
>| apart, and display it in readable form."  Looks like it asks 
>| for the name of the termcap file and a terminal type and then 
>| outputs a list with entries like:
>| 
>| G1  ^A\277   Graphics - Upper-right
>| G2  ^A\332   Graphics - Upper-left
>| 
>|  . . . . .
>|
>| I sent Doug the program and lib | files.
>| 
>
>If you're handing it out for free, why not post it publicly, for example in
>the filePro subdirectory of ftp.jpr.com?

The routines I've written are designed to get termcap entries, remove extra
whitespace, and some other manipulations that are useful when dealing with
the 1024 termcap length limits.

Writing a python or perl script to display the information above is pretty
easy, if a bit tedious, as it primarily requires building a dictionary
(perl hash) mapping termcap entries to the English description.  This is
compilicated a bit with FilePro and SCO termcaps as they tend to have
entries that are not in the standard (whatever that means) termcap
documentation.  Most of these extra codes go back to Xenix, MultiPlan, and
other Microsoft or SCO extensions.

Modern curses applications use terminfo, not termcap, but I like termcap
for things like printer code definitions, largely because one can define
non-standard entries without having to extend the terminfo definitions.

Bill
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From appl at jpr.com  Wed Apr 29 15:52:12 2009
From: appl at jpr.com (Jean-Pierre A. Radley)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:52:12 -0400
Subject: STN Termcap.sh program
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Doug Luurs propounded (on Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 01:53:09PM -0400):

| And it's working great .. Much easiler to read the output from this
| then the raw termcap.


If I ask it to describe ansi, it gives a lot of good output, but also
spews multiple contradictory answers for the many of the codes.

If I ask it to describe scoansi, it doesn't know how to decode the tc
entry so it reports essentially nothing.

Having an executable look expect its data file to reside in /usr/bin
makes me shudder and shreik.

So what leads to you say it's "working great?"

-- 
JP