text to pdf to email

Wed May 11 14:09:37 PDT 2005

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry K. Whacker" <harry.whacker at gmail.com>
To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: text to pdf to email

BRIAN? IS THAT YOU?
You remember?? Lunacon last year? HEHE, Good times.
anyways please "DO NOT" send me 100 PDF format files! i don think my
Internet company will be to happy about that but I read you post and and don
realy understand what U mean and.
are U saying "Frontpage" is better than hte "PDF"?? aslo how does
FILEProconnect to
Frontpage? i don think you thaught this thru very much. are you sure "HTML"
is potable like PDF?
also u say PDF is for graphic designer: yes, thats ture cause i do graphic
design on PDF.

Kindy,
HK Whacker

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Yes I went to lunacon!
You went to lunacon? Where did I see you? In the filk room or in the con 
suite maybe?
I don't remember talking to anyone about filepro at lunacon, though I do 
remember talking about unix several times.
I forgot to watch the calender and missed Lunacon this year but I think I'll 
make it to balticon in a couple weeks.
I'll watch out for your name from now on. :)

when I said html, I did not say front page. front page is a horrible way to 
create html.
It is possible to create html that is very light and efficient, and yes, 
even more portable than "portable document format"
html existed long before pdf and requires less resources to create and to 
view.

the way I generate html emails, the "html" is sometimes no more than 6 words 
added to the plain text file.
the 6 words happen to be html tags and they make the document into an html 
file that just happens to have very little html junk in it.

example, here is some sample plain text report output:

blah
blah
blah

Now here is an html version:
<html><body><pre>
blah
blah
blah
</pre></body></html>

That's it. voila la html

Create the same document in frontpage or ms word and it will have gobs and 
gobs of pointless html tags that do nothing you care about.

Also I thought frontpage was just a way to upload documents to web sites 
that support frontpage extensions, not a web page editor itself? I could be 
wrong on that, I've never used frontpage.

On 5/10/05, Brian K. White <brian at aljex.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry K. Whacker" <harry.whacker at gmail.com>
> To: <filepro-list at lists.celestial.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: text to pdf to email
>
> DEAR BILL:
> the "PDF" stands for "Portable Document File". it's defenitly better for
> E-mail and Internet cause is portable. If you don't use "PDF" you can be
> sure they see it? also "PDF" is always faster (hense the name "portable"!)
> and. You can aslo get it from FREE from the Web. here is a man who will
> tell
> you how: "PDF" on the Web. Also It's more secureity! and better reliable
> for
> E-mail because it's portable. also E-mail is not supposed to be text! you
> can get also do picture and animation and "PDF"! i even think FILEPro
> datatables are PDF?? so it practically standard
> now.<
> http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0
> >
>
> Kindly,<
> http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0
> >
> HK
> Whacker<
> http://web.ask.com/web?q=Where+can+I+download+%22PDF%22+on+the+Web%3F&qsrc=0&o=0
> >
>
> --------
>
> Like I tell my customers, "I'll send you 100 pdf attachement emails, and
> 100
> plain text or lightweight html emails, and after that you tell me which
> ones
> you want to get all day every day.
> I garantee you'll want to pull your hair out by the 10th pdf email.
>
> It is absolutely the opposite of faster and more convenient. All it's good
> for is for when it really matters that the recipient see _exactly_ the
> same
> thing you see, right down to the style of font and where wrapping occurs
> etc... IE: graphic designers handling artwork and pre-press layouts
> etc...,
> special "preprinted" official forms that must be filled in and printed and
> they must be exactly like a xerox of the original form, and static
> published
> documents like manuals & books where a pdf takes the place of a printed
> book.
>
> We _want_ invoices and such to be pretty but really, the information is
> worth more than the looks.
> The smart thing is a compromise where you send things like invoices with
> html, which is designed to re-fit itself as best as possible into the
> users
> particular display and to be efficient in terms of file size.
> Rather than embedding a full copy in the document of all fonts that are
> used
> in the document, html makes a sort of "suggestion" and whatever font the
> user has that is closest is used, and if the recipient is going blind and
> has his display set at very low resolution with very large font sizes, the
> html will wrap lines as necessary while still maintaining the overall
> structure of the document, _if_ the html was written sanely.
>
> People who handle a lot of emails every day can not have their procedure
> slowed down by having to click on attachments and wait for acrobat to open
> up on every one when plain text or html are immediately visible and they
> don't even have to "open up" they are right there in the preview pane
> already.
>
> This is not a subjective personal prefference issue either. Yes, you can
> personally prefer pdfs, just like you can personally prefer the space
> shuttle instead of a littel rice-burner car. It doesn't change the fact
> that
> the rice-burner is in fact far more efficient for going to the grocery
> store. Slower is slower and less efficient is less efficient and it's an
> indisputable measurable fact that using pdfs for most email is slower and
> less efficient, and at *both* the client and the server.
> It's popularity and the desire to use it for everything arises out of
> ignorance basically.
>
> Brian K. White -- brian at aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/
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>
> On 5/10/05, Bill Campbell <bill at celestial.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 09, 2005, Tony Freehauf wrote:
> > >hi experts
> > >any one care to suggest a way to move a text output to pdf in linux?
> > >i know this is not filepro but i plan on doing the text to pdf to email
> > >from filepro.
> >
> > Why would anybody want to change text to pdf for e-mail inclusion
> > since e-mail is supposed to be text???
> >
> > Bill
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